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In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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Sec. 34-21. - Heads of households to maintain firearms.
(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.
In other words, Kennesaw residents were required to own guns ... save for those Kennesaw residents who couldn't afford guns, couldn't use guns, couldn't legally own guns, or simply didn't want to have guns. Essentially, Kennesaw residents were never actually required to own guns, making most assertions about mandatory gun ownership and crime rates in that town highly problematic. The law in town said it was an unenforceable law that was made in response to another law in another state that made it illegal to own a gun in that town. I am not surprised you didn't look at it before reprinting the article.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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1982 Georgia Bulldogs with Herschel Walker (1982 Heisman winner) were a sight to see.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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Being a GA native, l can tell you that when that law was put into effect...afterward Kennesaw was the safest town in GA to be in. The real reason for it was due to the "white flight" that happened in Atlanta. The 70s saw people scrambling to get out of town and neighboring cities like Marietta, Kennesaw, etc were first stops. All because of the crime. But, the thug criminals started following...where the $$$ goes, the crime soon follows. Kennesaw got ahead of that.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/05/23 04:02 AM
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Mayor Stephenson says that in the five years since the gun ordinance was adopted the city has never prosecuted anyone for refusing to keep a gun. Officials concede that the ordinance is, for all intents, unenforceable.
"We're not interested in searching people's houses," said the Mayor. "Mostly, what we wanted to do was make a statement, to make people sit up and take notice. And they did, and we're proud of that." https://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/11/us/georgia-town-to-celebrate-mandatory-firearms.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/18/opinion/the-guns-of-kennesaw.htmlThe murder rate in previous years went from 2 in 1980 to 1 in 1981. Armed robberies did soar, from 1 in 1980 to 4 in 1981. Remember the town only had 6000 people. Plus crime in the whole state dropped off in the 80's. Kind of hard to know if it made a difference. They did not even know how many people actually got a gun because of the law.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/05/23 10:31 AM
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Mayor Stephenson says that in the five years since the gun ordinance was adopted the city has never prosecuted anyone for refusing to keep a gun. Officials concede that the ordinance is, for all intents, unenforceable.
"We're not interested in searching people's houses," said the Mayor. "Mostly, what we wanted to do was make a statement, to make people sit up and take notice. And they did, and we're proud of that." https://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/11/us/georgia-town-to-celebrate-mandatory-firearms.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/18/opinion/the-guns-of-kennesaw.htmlThe murder rate in previous years went from 2 in 1980 to 1 in 1981. Armed robberies did soar, from 1 in 1980 to 4 in 1981. Remember the town only had 6000 people. Plus crime in the whole state dropped off in the 80's. Kind of hard to know if it made a difference. They did not even know how many people actually got a gun because of the law. typical russian response
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/05/23 12:03 PM
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Mayor Stephenson says that in the five years since the gun ordinance was adopted the city has never prosecuted anyone for refusing to keep a gun. Officials concede that the ordinance is, for all intents, unenforceable.
"We're not interested in searching people's houses," said the Mayor. "Mostly, what we wanted to do was make a statement, to make people sit up and take notice. And they did, and we're proud of that." https://www.nytimes.com/1987/04/11/us/georgia-town-to-celebrate-mandatory-firearms.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/1982/03/18/opinion/the-guns-of-kennesaw.htmlThe murder rate in previous years went from 2 in 1980 to 1 in 1981. Armed robberies did soar, from 1 in 1980 to 4 in 1981. Remember the town only had 6000 people. Plus crime in the whole state dropped off in the 80's. Kind of hard to know if it made a difference. They did not even know how many people actually got a gun because of the law. typical russian response socialists don't like it when they can't control the masses, armed masses are not controllable.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/05/23 12:27 PM
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Sec. 34-21. - Heads of households to maintain firearms.
(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b) Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.
In other words, Kennesaw residents were required to own guns ... save for those Kennesaw residents who couldn't afford guns, couldn't use guns, couldn't legally own guns, or simply didn't want to have guns. Essentially, Kennesaw residents were never actually required to own guns, making most assertions about mandatory gun ownership and crime rates in that town highly problematic. The law in town said it was an unenforceable law that was made in response to another law in another state that made it illegal to own a gun in that town. I am not surprised you didn't look at it before reprinting the article.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/05/23 12:34 PM
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/05/23 12:43 PM
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... Kind of hard to know if it made a difference. They did not even know how many people actually got a gun because of the law.
Sorta like when liberal prosecutors refuse to prosecute criminals???... You know, when someone commits a violent felony but they allow it to be plead down to a misdemeanor... So when the crime stats come out they can magically claim violent crimes are down... Dan
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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... Kind of hard to know if it made a difference. They did not even know how many people actually got a gun because of the law.
Sorta like when liberal prosecutors refuse to prosecute criminals???... You know, when someone commits a violent felony but they allow it to be plead down to a misdemeanor... So when the crime stats come out they can magically claim violent crimes are down... Dan Nothing of the sort. This article was about a law that was made knowing it was not going to be enforced as a response to another city outlawing guns. As they pointed out, they don't know if people even bought guns. Your argument I agree with. One of the reasons people don't trust the system is that its overcrowded and there is no justice. People keep getting charges and sentences reduced and let out too soon and it turns into a revolving door.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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If you think I have a gun going into it. You’re more than likely to change your mind. But I don’t actually have to have a gun. I just need you to think I do.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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Kind of hard to know if it made a difference. They did not even know how many people actually got a gun because of the law. From the article OP posted... " One year after the ordinance was enacted, burglaries plummeted a staggering 89 percent even though the state only saw a 10.4-percent decrease in the same category" The whole reason for passing the law was to inform potential thug criminals that the very citizens they were planning on attacking would quite possibly be armed due to the law. It worked. I remember the local news stations reporting the declines in various crime categories a year after the ordinance was put in place. It was the talk of the state.
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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... As they pointed out, they don't know if people even bought guns... Don't fool yourself, they know exactly who (legally) purchased a gun as result of the law... Just like when you get pulled over by the police. The officer runs your license plate and it tells him if you a concealed carry holder... What does driving and being a CC holder have to do with each other???... Nothing... And then on top of that if you have an encounter with an officer and fail to notify the officer that you're a CC holder, even if you're not carrying that a violation... Dan
"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: In 1982 This Georgia Town mandated gun ownership
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06/06/23 01:31 PM
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... As they pointed out, they don't know if people even bought guns... Don't fool yourself, they know exactly who (legally) purchased a gun as result of the law... Just like when you get pulled over by the police. The officer runs your license plate and it tells him if you a concealed carry holder... What does driving and being a CC holder have to do with each other???... Nothing... And then on top of that if you have an encounter with an officer and fail to notify the officer that you're a CC holder, even if you're not carrying that a violation... Dan Oh really?…..
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