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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: AstaSoftride] #14714400 05/08/23 09:06 PM
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What do all the mass shooters have in common when their homes are searched? FPS video games and/or antidepressants, anti-anxiety, antipsychotic, mood stabilizing, or stimulant prescriptions.

To be fair, I'm talking about school shootings, mall shootings, etc. Not the official .gov interpretation that includes gang bangers capping each other.

I'll bet a dollar to donuts that Mauricio Garcia had both COD and Adderall (or something similar) in his nasty little apartment.


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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: WAWI] #14714416 05/08/23 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by WAWI
Originally Posted by deerfeeder
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Nobody ever killed 30 people in 6 minutes with a knife or a baseball bat. I support the 2nd amendment, but I'm open to discussing how we could keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people. I understand many of you are not open to that discussion. One point we all agree on is there is zero chance we are giving up our own weapons.


We re-open all those facilities where we used to keep the mentally ill people confined. And guess which side/political party caused those facilities to be closed.


Bingo, bring back the nut house



With our weaponized court system of today? No thanks, they will have every conservative in there in no time.

Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: BigLeslie] #14714422 05/08/23 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BigLeslie
71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households. https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-chicago-c912ecc5619e925c5ea7447d36808715


Again, you talk like this is something that's just uncontrolled and unregulated. Unfortunately, most people are also ignorant, and have no clue how restrictive laws are now vs a short time ago. To what end? What law can you possibly come up with to take that hipoint out of that ferals hand? Is he afraid of a law? Is he afraid of police? The only thing a feral comes close to fearing is an armed "victim"

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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: AstaSoftride] #14714434 05/08/23 09:29 PM
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That metaphor is so strained Pat it’s ridiculous, half a cake is better than no cake.

Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: BigLeslie] #14714437 05/08/23 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigLeslie
71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households. https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-chicago-c912ecc5619e925c5ea7447d36808715


Well let's see what the SCOTUS thinks on the issue. It is a constitutional right that you are willing to give up to get some sense of personal security. I'm not. Apparently the shooter was discharged from the military for mental issues...so once again the government's failure falls on us to give up rights. Odd how that keeps happening...yet some still think the government is here to help.


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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: Mark Perry] #14714440 05/08/23 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
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Originally Posted by deerfeeder
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Nobody ever killed 30 people in 6 minutes with a knife or a baseball bat. I support the 2nd amendment, but I'm open to discussing how we could keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people. I understand many of you are not open to that discussion. One point we all agree on is there is zero chance we are giving up our own weapons.


We re-open all those facilities where we used to keep the mentally ill people confined. And guess which side/political party caused those facilities to be closed.


Guess which side/political party cut over $200 million from mental health services in the state of Texas last year?




Also let's be more honest . Abbott cut a total $200M oved the past two years from Texas Department of State Health Services which is a department that oversees a ton of health related services. Mental health is just one area that they oversee and nothing says all $200M came from mental health funding alone. To say so is being disingenuous.
Also that $200M cut was then put towards the border situation which your side refuses to address in any meaningful manner.



Bottom line: he still cut millions from mental health care.

Texas ranks dead last when it comes to mental health care.

https://mhanational.org/issues/2022/mental-health-america-access-care-data

Way to go, Greg!!!

Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: AstaSoftride] #14714470 05/08/23 10:03 PM
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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: BigLeslie] #14714473 05/08/23 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BigLeslie
71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households. https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-chicago-c912ecc5619e925c5ea7447d36808715

So here is what is defined as stricter in that article:

The poll shows bipartisan majorities of Americans support a nationwide background check policy for all gun sales, a law preventing mentally ill people from purchasing guns, allowing courts to temporarily prevent people who are considered a danger to themselves or others from purchasing a gun, making 21 the minimum age to buy a gun nationwide and banning those who have been convicted of domestic violence from purchasing a gun.

Nothing unreasonable that I can see in the above. However, would implementation of those ideas significantly reduce the mass shooting incidents? Might be some decrease, and any decrease would be good, however if those measures did not end mass shootings, then there will be a push for further laws/restrictions. It's not like we'll pass some laws and that will be that.

Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: deerfeeder] #14714478 05/08/23 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by deerfeeder
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Nobody ever killed 30 people in 6 minutes with a knife or a baseball bat. I support the 2nd amendment, but I'm open to discussing how we could keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people. I understand many of you are not open to that discussion. One point we all agree on is there is zero chance we are giving up our own weapons.


We re-open all those facilities where we used to keep the mentally ill people confined. And guess which side/political party caused those facilities to be closed.

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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: BigLeslie] #14714479 05/08/23 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BigLeslie
That metaphor is so strained Pat it’s ridiculous, half a cake is better than no cake.


Like in you can have the gun, but no bullets or you can have bullets, but no gun? Your mental capabilities leave a whole lot to be desired.


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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: AstaSoftride] #14714480 05/08/23 10:12 PM
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I started to read this thread, but gave up after the first page. So I'll just ask a question that I've been asking for years, and have yet to receive a valid answer to:

Can any of you proponents of gun control explain exactly how banning guns will end violence? We've had violence since before the advent of firearms. Y'all want to blame guns for the violence that is largely a result of all the hate POLITICIANS and LIBERAL EDUCATORS and POLITICALLY ENDORSED ACTIVISTS are working so hard to generate. If a reckless driver mows down a bunch of pedestrians, is it the car's fault or the driver's? If a robber uses a knife (or a club, or a firearm, or a fist) to assault a victim, is it the knife, club, firearm, fist's fault, or the robber's fault?

These gun control politicians keep telling us (and Biden's said it HUNDREDS of times) that gun control has been proven to stop crime. But that's a lie, and I'd like one of you gun control proponents to show us that proof -- without manipulating or fabricating statistics the way our dedicated politicians do. Banning street drugs hasn't stopped the overdoses and the crimes committed by dopers. And street drugs have no legitimate use in society; yet you think that by banning firearms -- which do serve legitimate uses -- the crooks will just turn them in? Do you believe that if every firearm in the world was to magically disappear, that criminals would instantly turn nonviolent? To propose penalizing millions of law-abiding firearms owners for a false sense of security is stupid -- unless you're a corrupt politician intent on disarming the constituency, or you're a butch sanders who still believes after being shown otherwise that you can order up a firearm on the internet, send in some fake ID, and receive the firearm, mailed to your door.

So, somebody who thinks banning guns will end all violence, please step up and explain how you believe that will work in the real world.

And think about this: If our diaper-sh!tter in chief spent the taxpayers' money that he has used to create and finance a European war in what is arguably the most corrupt nation in Europe, to provide real mental health services in this country, do you think that might have an impact on some of this senseless violence and hate?

Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: Jpurdue] #14714493 05/08/23 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Nobody ever killed 30 people in 6 minutes with a knife or a baseball bat. I support the 2nd amendment, but I'm open to discussing how we could keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people. I understand many of you are not open to that discussion. One point we all agree on is there is zero chance we are giving up our own weapons.


Discuss away sport.

Yet to hear a proposal that keeps semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people that didn't also prevent me from buying them.

I'd personally be willing to jump through more hoops if it were shown to have an actual impact. I think there are some ideas out there that would help, but I am not aware of any that would have changed this recent mall shooting. This guy appears to be a regular thug and I agree he was going to do what he was going to do no matter the hoops involved.

Again. If everyone at that mall had a handgun, it wouldn’t have happened. These chicken [censored] want to kill and live. They are scared to die. If they knew, for a fact, that they would only get off one shot before they died, they wouldn’t have the balls to try. It would have lowered the casualties by 80% or better. If it would have even happened at all.


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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: Jim Ford] #14714498 05/08/23 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Ford
I started to read this thread, but gave up after the first page. So I'll just ask a question that I've been asking for years, and have yet to receive a valid answer to:

Can any of you proponents of gun control explain exactly how banning guns will end violence? We've had violence since before the advent of firearms. Y'all want to blame guns for the violence that is largely a result of all the hate POLITICIANS and LIBERAL EDUCATORS and POLITICALLY ENDORSED ACTIVISTS are working so hard to generate. If a reckless driver mows down a bunch of pedestrians, is it the car's fault or the driver's? If a robber uses a knife (or a club, or a firearm, or a fist) to assault a victim, is it the knife, club, firearm, fist's fault, or the robber's fault?

These gun control politicians keep telling us (and Biden's said it HUNDREDS of times) that gun control has been proven to stop crime. But that's a lie, and I'd like one of you gun control proponents to show us that proof -- without manipulating or fabricating statistics the way our dedicated politicians do. Banning street drugs hasn't stopped the overdoses and the crimes committed by dopers. And street drugs have no legitimate use in society; yet you think that by banning firearms -- which do serve legitimate uses -- the crooks will just turn them in? Do you believe that if every firearm in the world was to magically disappear, that criminals would instantly turn nonviolent? To propose penalizing millions of law-abiding firearms owners for a false sense of security is stupid -- unless you're a corrupt politician intent on disarming the constituency, or you're a butch sanders who still believes after being shown otherwise that you can order up a firearm on the internet, send in some fake ID, and receive the firearm, mailed to your door.

So, somebody who thinks banning guns will end all violence, please step up and explain how you believe that will work in the real world.

And think about this: If our diaper-sh!tter in chief spent the taxpayers' money that he has used to create and finance a European war in what is arguably the most corrupt nation in Europe, to provide real mental health services in this country, do you think that might have an impact on some of this senseless violence and hate?

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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: SteezMacQueen] #14714503 05/08/23 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Originally Posted by John175☮
Originally Posted by Jpurdue
Nobody ever killed 30 people in 6 minutes with a knife or a baseball bat. I support the 2nd amendment, but I'm open to discussing how we could keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people. I understand many of you are not open to that discussion. One point we all agree on is there is zero chance we are giving up our own weapons.


Discuss away sport.

Yet to hear a proposal that keeps semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people that didn't also prevent me from buying them.

I'd personally be willing to jump through more hoops if it were shown to have an actual impact. I think there are some ideas out there that would help, but I am not aware of any that would have changed this recent mall shooting. This guy appears to be a regular thug and I agree he was going to do what he was going to do no matter the hoops involved.

Again. If everyone at that mall had a handgun, it wouldn’t have happened. These chicken [censored] want to kill and live. They are scared to die. If they knew, for a fact, that they would only get off one shot before they died, they wouldn’t have the balls to try. It would have lowered the casualties by 80% or better. If it would have even happened at all.



it may have lessened the casualities but by no means would that stop a lunatic hellbent on killing complete strangers.

that defines a total psycho to me.


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Re: I need clarification on the issue about Gun Control [Re: AstaSoftride] #14714506 05/08/23 10:38 PM
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I'd personally be willing to jump through more hoops if it were shown to have an actual impact. I think there are some ideas out there that would help, but I am not aware of any that would have changed this recent mall shooting. This guy appears to be a regular thug and I agree he was going to do what he was going to do no matter the hoops involved.


If the Government you are wanting to protect you would have red flagged this clown because he was discharged from the Military for mental health issues he would have had to steal the weapon instead of purchasing it legally. Don't you see the absurdity of the Fed making law on guns when they can't do something so simple as red flagging a nutjob? All they want is to disarm you. Look through the forest.

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