Stealing? The state has put a lot of money into the state park. Also eminent domain happens a lot. Look at Jerry World or the toll roads around the metro mass.

Yes, stealing. I'm also against them taking the land for Jerry World and the toll roads. I love Fairfield but hate them using eminent domain

Overreach of government. The State and all of us had our chance to buy it (although most of us couldn’t pool enough money together for a small percentage of the money). The State spent OUR money leasing. Yes it was a lot, but have any of you considered how much was spent leasing over time vs buying outright in the beginning and maintaining?
Just because you lease a property for years doesn’t give you the right to supersede a sell of the property that you failed to execute on.

I don’t care I want to fish period.
What ever it takes is ok by me.

The state never spent a dime leasing the park, it was free the whole time. The 72 million is the total spent on infastructure,maintenance and salaries.

Interesting. Thank you for the info. Hard to believe the lessor would agree to that, although not totally unbelievable when politics are in place. Crazy that both sides would agree to that. Still doesn’t take away the fact that the opportunity was there to buy it and a better offer was made.

The state invested money on someone else's property knowing they were leasing it.
Now that someone bought the property they, by legislation, want to require that the new owners keep the lake under state control.

I don't see how that is anything but wrong.




https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/pdf/HB04757H.PDF
They are not using eminent domain here. They are passing a law that will not allow the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality to approve any request by the new owner on the lakes water rights AND that the new owner is required to keep the lake open the way it has been.
The bill does not purchase the property if I am reading it right. They pretty much are legislating that the properties value will drop and they can't use it the way it was bought to do.

Big brother is in town and there is no other way to describe it IMO.

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The state invested money on someone else's property knowing they were leasing it.
Now that someone bought the property they, by legislation, want to require that the new owners keep the lake under state control.

I don't see how that is anything but wrong.
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/pdf/HB04757H.PDF
They are not using eminent domain here. They are passing a law that will not allow the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality to approve any request by the new owner on the lakes water rights AND that the new owner is required to keep the lake open the way it has been.
The bill does not purchase the property if I am reading it right. They pretty much are legislating that the properties value will drop and they can't use it the way it was bought to do.

Big brother is in town and there is no other way to describe it IMO.
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I think you are reading more into it than it says. There is nothing in there that says the park stays open. There is nothing in there that says the new owners must continue leasing to Texas Parks and Wildlife. There is nothing in there that says the new owners must sell the property to the state.

I hope someone steals your boat

I read this as requiring that they leave it as it is. Public use in boating and camping.

Above it also says the state cannot approve any water use application that the new owners have already filed for.
They have to leave it open as always and can’t change the lake.



I did not say they require selling it.
If the bill passes I can see a big lawsuit on two points.
One on the state requiring a private land owner to provide services that they don't want to do and the other on the way the owners are being singled out on water rights.

I also hope as a way to protest the state, if they do keep it they should allow overnight camping at $500 a night and boat ramp access for $200.

There is a ramp on Monticello that accesses Sandlin.
Although not part of the State Park.

That ramp into Sandlin is in the Luminant owned "Titus County" park. Even if you could get past the locked gate, the ramp itself is completely unusable (blocked off and deteriorated)

The state would either have to buy the lake from Luminant or work out a deal to enable Texas citizens to access their resource via the park (instead of just the bridge). My earlier comment was just a potential scenario to connect it to the current Sandlin State Park infrastructure (passes, authority, maintenance, etc.)

The guys who dOnT lIkE emimNatnt DoMain have never caught them good on Fairfield. Because if you had they kind of days I have had out there you would slab your grandma to fish that lake again.

If Eminent domain was ever used right. This is the time. Eminent domain never favors the working man. It has always favored the wealthy or powerful. In this instance I'm all for it.

It’s insured come get it I need to upgrade lol