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 Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 12:40 AM
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ezbassin
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Won two hours at a Big Bass tourney a month ago and the organization that is running the tourney sent me a 1099. I won $1200 overall (which I split 50/50 with the guy I was fishing with). Anyone else get a 1099 from a fishing tourney? Any idea what the cutoff amount is? How much do yall withhold for taxes? Put it on a schedule C and deduct your related expenses
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 12:53 AM
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grout-scout
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Fricking IRS, turns your $1200 into $900, while people sit at home collecting money for doing absolutely nothing. 
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 04:02 AM
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N2Bass
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One reason I ALWAYS get a players card at any casino I play in. Unlike gambling though, fishing does not have a players card and ya gotta keep track of what ya spend or invest to win that money. As a general rule, if you have to spend money to make money, there is usually a way to get some of it back from the IRS. Not being a jackwagon, but that's incorrect. There is a blueprint that a revenue agent will use to make a determination of whether your activity is a business or a hobby. It is a lot easier to label it a hobby than it is a business according to their standards (talking fishing tourney winnings here). If you have claimed that income as a business by filing it on Schedule C and take expenses to reduce that income (God forbid take a loss) and they determine it as a hobby under review, you cannot take a penny of expenses to reduce that taxable income. Many years ago you could itemize hobby expenses subject to a 2% floor if you Itemized on Schedule A, but that has not been the case for years. "Well, I've done it for many years and never been audited".................... As I said before, the odds might be in your favor on not getting a random audit- but the odds are from from Zero.  more So if one had $5k cash, and took $2k out to gamble, and hit 10 jackpots worth $20k, but lost $18k to get those jackpots…then what? Still have 10 1099’s. And no players card.
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 01:55 PM
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GeoFisher
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One reason I ALWAYS get a players card at any casino I play in. Unlike gambling though, fishing does not have a players card and ya gotta keep track of what ya spend or invest to win that money. As a general rule, if you have to spend money to make money, there is usually a way to get some of it back from the IRS. Not being a jackwagon, but that's incorrect. There is a blueprint that a revenue agent will use to make a determination of whether your activity is a business or a hobby. It is a lot easier to label it a hobby than it is a business according to their standards (talking fishing tourney winnings here). If you have claimed that income as a business by filing it on Schedule C and take expenses to reduce that income (God forbid take a loss) and they determine it as a hobby under review, you cannot take a penny of expenses to reduce that taxable income. Many years ago you could itemize hobby expenses subject to a 2% floor if you Itemized on Schedule A, but that has not been the case for years. "Well, I've done it for many years and never been audited".................... As I said before, the odds might be in your favor on not getting a random audit- but the odds are from from Zero. more This is why I said AS A GENERAL RULE and qualified it by saying spending money to make money. I have heard that whole hobby/business [censored] for 30 years. If your tax guy cant get ya back some money on a $5000 jackpot slot winning after spending lets say 3-5k over the last 12 months gambling, you need a new tax guy. Same for fishing tournaments. You win $20,000 at Bass Champs event and pay 4-5 k in taxes on that 20k.....My tax guy BETTER find some deductions somewhere or I am getting a new one who will.
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 02:51 PM
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TallBaldCypress
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You can have 10 different CPA's do your taxes and get 10 different results. Ain't no way I'm receiving a 1099 and not deducting expenses. Fundamentally seems wrong and if I owed the $300 tax on the $1000 in winnings then I'll pay it when they tell me I owe it but until then at least my entry fee is getting expensed. And if I stumbled on a big check I'd probably expense hotel, fuel, practice and all that stuff. They don't call it the pro side for nothing. 
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 04:32 PM
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pchapin
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One reason I ALWAYS get a players card at any casino I play in. Unlike gambling though, fishing does not have a players card and ya gotta keep track of what ya spend or invest to win that money. As a general rule, if you have to spend money to make money, there is usually a way to get some of it back from the IRS. Not being a jackwagon, but that's incorrect. There is a blueprint that a revenue agent will use to make a determination of whether your activity is a business or a hobby. It is a lot easier to label it a hobby than it is a business according to their standards (talking fishing tourney winnings here). If you have claimed that income as a business by filing it on Schedule C and take expenses to reduce that income (God forbid take a loss) and they determine it as a hobby under review, you cannot take a penny of expenses to reduce that taxable income. Many years ago you could itemize hobby expenses subject to a 2% floor if you Itemized on Schedule A, but that has not been the case for years. "Well, I've done it for many years and never been audited".................... As I said before, the odds might be in your favor on not getting a random audit- but the odds are from from Zero. more So if one had $5k cash, and took $2k out to gamble, and hit 10 jackpots worth $20k, but lost $18k to get those jackpots…then what? Still have 10 1099’s. And no players card. Winnings go on page 1, losses go on Schedule A (itemized deductions). To get any benefit from losses, you need more itemized deductions than your standard deduction.
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 04:38 PM
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pchapin
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You can have 10 different CPA's do your taxes and get 10 different results. Ain't no way I'm receiving a 1099 and not deducting expenses. Fundamentally seems wrong and if I owed the $300 tax on the $1000 in winnings then I'll pay it when they tell me I owe it but until then at least my entry fee is getting expensed. And if I stumbled on a big check I'd probably expense hotel, fuel, practice and all that stuff. They don't call it the pro side for nothing. Accounting Today covers CPA's who got caught conspiring to file fraudlent tax returns. If you are going to cheat, buy Turbo Tax and do it yourself. That way if you get caught, you can avoid the conspiracy charge which usually gets the most time.
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 04:51 PM
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J.H.S.
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I would think if you get 1099's every year and have some sort of sponsorship you could probably justify it to the IRS as a business to put on a Sch. C. If you get a 1099 every couple of years with nothing consistent, I would not chance it.
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 05:51 PM
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fishnfireman
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If you can't pay the fine or do the time....Don't commit the crime.
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 06:49 PM
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Txduckhunter
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This thread certainly took a twist....
Guy was just trying to make a humble brag...
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 06:57 PM
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This thread certainly took a twist....
Guy was just trying to make a humble brag... 
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 07:00 PM
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forkduc
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Always been that way!
Really stings if you win a boat or another significant prize😬
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 07:05 PM
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Stew
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Nominee/middleman returns. Generally, if you receive a Form 1099 for amounts that actually belong to another person, you are considered a nominee recipient. You must file a Form 1099 with the IRS (the same type of Form 1099 you received) for each of the other owners showing the amounts allocable to each. You must also furnish a Form 1099 to each of the other owners. File the new Form 1099 with Form 1096 with the IRS Submission Processing Center for your area. On each new Form 1099, list yourself as the “payer” and the other owner as the “recipient.” On Form 1096, list yourself as the “Filer.” A spouse is not required to file a nominee return to show amounts owned by the other spouse. The nominee, not the original payer, is responsible for filing the subsequent Forms 1099 to show the amount allocable to each owner. https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i1099gi
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 07:19 PM
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This thread certainly took a twist....
Guy was just trying to make a humble brag... Ha. Sorry but that wasn't the intent. (would have posted pics of it if I wanted to brag...................)
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Re: Got a 1099 for some winnings
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12/15/22 09:59 PM
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ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
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This interesting for sure, fishing the BFL this year and I was wondering if I could deduct my cost to do so. Do you have to set yourself as an LLC, Corporation, etc. and file under the intity you created?
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