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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Champion1]
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12/10/22 04:15 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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Not sure if it’s the best trail out there when they are cancelling championships? Basschamps never cancelled a championship, I understand their entry is not that high but gosh sure gives them a bad look IMO. I wouldn’t fish it knowing their liable to cancel the championship AGAIN! But that’s just me! It wasn't the championship. It was just the final event. They had 3 tournaments last year, went to 4 this year. Most of us on the trail agree that 3 is a better number. Keeping it more localized where most of the guys fish. It's not for everyone that's for sure. But I 100 percent would rather put up 2k an event to actually win some money against 35-45 teams than $300-$400 to win 2k for 3rd against 200+ teams. I'm not knocking these larger trails, I still jackpot them occasionally. But the payout is literally for first place really. Your chances of a 2nd or 3rd aren't that great against a big field. I like TTO's 2 days of practice and 2 days of fishing. It suits our style of fishing. I think they'll figure it out. I do agree it sucks for the few that paid deposits for the full year just to fish choke. But on the other hand there were just as many teams that paid deposits just to jackpot whatever lake they wanted. That's why you see entries fall off. Guys paid an extra $750 just to fish Whitney or Texoma. You really just can't compare basschamps to this format. Lots of guys are ok winning $600-$1000 and breaking even for a weekend. That's not this group
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/10/22 05:58 PM
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Hopefully, this is the start of no tournaments down South for a few years. Very odd that nobody minded coming down when the fishing was decent, all of a sudden, it’s too far. 
Last edited by grout-scout; 12/10/22 06:09 PM.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Chris B]
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12/10/22 06:37 PM
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texasfisherman1
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I don't find it odd at all. They don't need a bunch of internet hacks bad mouthing their circuit. They have had some success with it and hopefully they can continue to grow on it and continue to be around. You can't continue to grow and continue to be around if you have to cancel an event due to low participation haha
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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12/10/22 09:20 PM
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Barrett
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Not sure if it’s the best trail out there when they are cancelling championships? Basschamps never cancelled a championship, I understand their entry is not that high but gosh sure gives them a bad look IMO. I wouldn’t fish it knowing their liable to cancel the championship AGAIN! But that’s just me! It wasn't the championship. It was just the final event. They had 3 tournaments last year, went to 4 this year. Most of us on the trail agree that 3 is a better number. Keeping it more localized where most of the guys fish. It's not for everyone that's for sure. But I 100 percent would rather put up 2k an event to actually win some money against 35-45 teams than $300-$400 to win 2k for 3rd against 200+ teams. I'm not knocking these larger trails, I still jackpot them occasionally. But the payout is literally for first place really. Your chances of a 2nd or 3rd aren't that great against a big field. I like TTO's 2 days of practice and 2 days of fishing. It suits our style of fishing. I think they'll figure it out. I do agree it sucks for the few that paid deposits for the full year just to fish choke. But on the other hand there were just as many teams that paid deposits just to jackpot whatever lake they wanted. That's why you see entries fall off. Guys paid an extra $750 just to fish Whitney or Texoma. You really just can't compare basschamps to this format. Lots of guys are ok winning $600-$1000 and breaking even for a weekend. That's not this group Im not sure if anybody in that "group" doesn't fish champs, TTT or regular TTO  .... Its all the same names minus the few that actually professionally fish for a living. The only way to make it work is to have everybody pay in full for the entire season up front. The problem is some names from that "group" cant afford to do that or wouldn't for unknown reasons. When trails have tried this format in the past it always comes down to failure because of folks wanting to jackpot and not finish out the season. I do like the idea though. Def agree with no money to be made outside of 2nd place in the other trails... at least not a reasonable amount of money for your time after expenses.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 12:41 AM
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Just get it over with and keep all the events on Rayburn like everyone else.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 02:57 PM
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Love the idea and think there is a need for it. Probably the reality is you have to collect 100 percent of money up front or this will happen. Similar went on in Platinum.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 03:15 PM
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The only other one I know of like the TTO Pro was the Bud Lite Platinum. These will always fail due to the no jackpotting rule. Almost every event out there relies on about 30% jackpotters. Do they usually dominate? No they don’t in my opinion. But like Platinum TTO Pro can’t survive on 30 to 40 entries. Without the jackpotting rule they would draw double at Rayburn alone. A lot of anglers simply don’t want to drive to Rayburn or Choke when they live west or north of Dallas. But those same guys would probably fish Texoma, PK or Whitney and donate their money just to fish a big event or two.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 03:48 PM
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in the better money tournaments jackpotting always is the demise the jackpotters will only fish when they are on enough fish to win an after the first few places you cant cover expenses anyway.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: ssmith]
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12/11/22 06:03 PM
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in the better money tournaments jackpotting always is the demise the jackpotters will only fish when they are on enough fish to win an after the first few places you cant cover expenses anyway. How do they know if there is a week or two off limits? I know a bunch of guys that jackpot every event on their home lake and I would say they might break even at best.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 06:33 PM
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An interesting idea would be to have 4 events. 1 on sam because we'll that's what you have to do. 2 middle of state, one north ish or west ish. Require 3 events with 2 being the middle 2. Collect all the money up front for the 3 plus the championship that you don't announce. Basically you almost have 2 divisions but not really. If the east texas guys can't find a map out of town they should be able to get directions at a gas station in llufkin. They north/west Texas guys don't have to be subjected to a flea dip after going to sam rayburn. I think it could work lol.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: texasfisherman1]
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12/11/22 06:35 PM
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I don't find it odd at all. They don't need a bunch of internet hacks bad mouthing their circuit. They have had some success with it and hopefully they can continue to grow on it and continue to be around. You can't continue to grow and continue to be around if you have to cancel an event due to low participation haha Donnie and Darryl are pretty damn good TDs and if it can be made to work those guys can pull it off.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: WAWI]
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12/11/22 06:52 PM
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An interesting idea would be to have 4 events. 1 on sam because we'll that's what you have to do. 2 middle of state, one north ish or west ish. Require 3 events with 2 being the middle 2. Collect all the money up front for the 3 plus the championship that you don't announce. Basically you almost have 2 divisions but not really. If the east texas guys can't find a map out of town they should be able to get directions at a gas station in llufkin. They north/west Texas guys don't have to be subjected to a flea dip after going to sam rayburn. I think it could work lol. That would work. Or you could make the guys that only want to fish one or two lakes pay in full a month ahead of the tournament. That would make sure eliminate the last second jackpotters that only enter if they are on fish.
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 09:55 PM
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Chris B
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What if they let you register for one tournament as long as you enter before the season starts?
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Minner Bucket]
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12/11/22 11:38 PM
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now they have to complete with the brandon belt trail with similar entry fees, i dont think both will make it
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Re: TTO Pro Team
[Re: Chris B]
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12/11/22 11:50 PM
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What if they let you register for one tournament as long as you enter before the season starts? There are other lakes than ray bob... you should try some lol
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