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Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: buda13] #14549801 11/29/22 06:21 PM
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Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: N2Bass] #14549870 11/29/22 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by N2Bass
Plant came back online today.

That plant is very unpredictable for when it runs. I’ve sold the ash out of Pirkey and Welsh for the last 10 years. Very aware of schedule.

Much of it has to do with economics. Extreme cold/hot weather brings more energy demand. But Pirkey is always a mystery. Just never know when it’s going to be up or down. Never understood it and AEP keeps their info very close to the vest.

It’s a shame, because it is one of the most cleanest well maintained plants I’ve been around.


If you sold ash out of Welsh we should know each other.


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Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: Rayzor] #14550750 11/30/22 04:29 PM
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I could but I won't. There are many factors driving the closures of coal fired plants, govt. regulation on mining, cost of PRB coal due to transportation cost, cost of capital upgrades to achieve the new EPA guidelines, etc.


Then why not build natural gas-fired power plants? Or heaven forbid, nuclear. Nothing is "cheap" to build, yet incredibly expensive things are built every day. A 3-bedroom house used to be $25K to build. Today it is $250K. I am not looking at the closing of power plants from strictly a fishing point of view. I want affordable electricity to be readily available. The thought of replacing even the lowest kilowatt generating power plant with solar and wind is a joke. See article below.

https://www.rickety.us/2009/08/1-3-billion-wind-turbines-needed-to-replace-coal/#:~:text=1.3%20Billion%20Wind%20Turbines%20Needed%20to%20Replace%20Coal,...%205%20Update%20...%206%20External%20Articles%20


Because it is very expensive to build new power power plants and Texas has no capacity payment market, as much of the US, so, there is no guarantee that the company could be profitable. Companies do not receive the same tax incentives for building gas or nuclear as opposed to the renewables either.

Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: T Rex] #14551011 11/30/22 07:38 PM
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That's the problem, there are no plans to build "replacement plants". The woke mob in Austin and Washington seem to believe wind and solar are the be all, end all- we know better. Natural gas plants are clean and reliable sources of energy. However, Biden and the wokies want these gone as well. I guess we'll all be investing in generators to avoid the power outages sure to come.

Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: buda13] #14551250 11/30/22 10:59 PM
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Austin has had a Republican Govenor and State Congress since Bush in '95, Perry in 2000, and Abbott in 2015, I won't get into the "Wokies" thing. Just seems a little dangerous to the citizens who pay their salaries that we have hit on no plan to replace these aged and money hungry power plants. Painfully free enterprise has not come to aid. Can't blame a state full of "power and energy experts" for no recourse?

1. Monticello
2. Sandow
3. Big Brown
4. Fairfield
5. Oklaunion

A. With a trend of coal power closures, some may worry about whether or not the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) will be able to keep up with energy demands. These five coal plants made up 22 percent of the state’s coal capacity, after all. However, the
reason for these closures has more to do with profitability as cheaper options become available. As the market shifts, so too does the reliance on coal for power.

B. As the price of natural gas production has decreased over time, coal fired plants have struggled to be a competitive energy source.

C The average coal plant is 50+ years. They are just old and are not getting better with age.

Solutions please?

Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: T Rex] #14553060 12/02/22 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by T Rex
Austin has had a Republican Govenor and State Congress since Bush in '95, Perry in 2000, and Abbott in 2015, I won't get into the "Wokies" thing. Just seems a little dangerous to the citizens who pay their salaries that we have hit on no plan to replace these aged and money hungry power plants. Painfully free enterprise has not come to aid. Can't blame a state full of "power and energy experts" for no recourse?

1. Monticello
2. Sandow
3. Big Brown
4. Fairfield
5. Oklaunion

A. With a trend of coal power closures, some may worry about whether or not the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) will be able to keep up with energy demands. These five coal plants made up 22 percent of the state’s coal capacity, after all. However, the
reason for these closures has more to do with profitability as cheaper options become available. As the market shifts, so too does the reliance on coal for power.

B. As the price of natural gas production has decreased over time, coal fired plants have struggled to be a competitive energy source.

C The average coal plant is 50+ years. They are just old and are not getting better with age.

Solutions please?


Add Pirkey in 2023 and Welsh in 2028 as shut downs.

Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: buda13] #14555864 12/05/22 03:55 PM
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I get it that trophy hunters and tournament anglers, especially the good ones, might prefer fishing cold water lakes in the winter. I have known plenty of guys who like to go out looking for a couple of bites, or maybe just one good bite, for a chance at a lunker. However, not everyone who goes to the lake is an accomplished fisherman with a lifetime of experience. Not all of them have sophisticated electronics for finding fish.

There are a lot of people who just like to get bites and catch fish. My friends who were in this weekend are two of them. One of them fishes twice a year, the two times he goes fishing and camping with me. He has no desire to go out there and drag a big worm or jig around all day looking for one big bite. That's why I take them to power plant lakes in the winter, and lakes where I know fish of any size are biting the rest of the year. If they go out and catch 6-10 bass that weigh 1-2 pounds they have had a great day of fishing.

Not everyone aspires to fish the Elite Series, or act like he is fishing it.

Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: buda13] #14559555 12/09/22 03:42 AM
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First on T Rex’s list Big Brown & Fairfield are the same thing. What is just as important as shutting down the coal plants is the closing and tearing down of De Cordova and Tradinghouse. Those 2 produced 1700 MW’s together. Both were in the top 5 producing plants in the U.S. some years they were #1 & 2.
For AEP to shutdown Pirkey it had to be approved by the PUC. If the PUC said they needed the plant then the State would have to pay for the operation and AEP still got any profit it made which would be a lot since they were paying any expenses.
Martin Lake will be on that list before long.


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Re: Pirkey to close March ‘23 [Re: Happykamper] #14559780 12/09/22 01:55 PM
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Plant came back online today.

That plant is very unpredictable for when it runs. I’ve sold the ash out of Pirkey and Welsh for the last 10 years. Very aware of schedule.

Much of it has to do with economics. Extreme cold/hot weather brings more energy demand. But Pirkey is always a mystery. Just never know when it’s going to be up or down. Never understood it and AEP keeps their info very close to the vest.

It’s a shame, because it is one of the most cleanest well maintained plants I’ve been around.


If you sold ash out of Welsh we should know each other.


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