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 BPT - Hard not to requalify
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08/04/22 04:57 PM
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RKT
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So the BPT released their Requalification system for 2023. Out of 80 anglers the top 65 in AOY are in for 2023. The next 5 spots are filled with current BPT spots from those that didn't qualify with the highest average AOY points of their careers. That would leave 10 spots for others to move up from the Tackle Warehouse Pro Circuit - you would think. However, some BPT also finished in the top ten in the Pro Circuit and double qualified. Normally that would open up three more spots for new people to get in. Not with BPT. Instead they fill those spots with the next three current BPT anglers based on their highest AOY average. We now are down from 10 new anglers entering the BPT to just 7. However, another spot has opened up because of Timmy Horton retirement. Instead of that spot going to a top 10 Pro Circuit angler it will also go to the next highest ranked BPT angler based on past AOY rankings. Now we are down to only 6 new Pro Circuit anglers entering the BPT. Therefore, the odds of a young angler wanting to fish at the top level seems to be nearly impossible on the MLF route. MLF is obviously a business that is really there to make sure they promote their sponsors and the sponsors of current anglers. If it was a true pro sport it would be much harder for non performing "pro's" to stay on that level and they would want the new upcoming faces and talent. It sure seems like the best route for newer anglers with the dreams of becoming a pro should go the BASS route. I have nothing against MLF and enjoy watching it. This is just my take on what I see after reading their article.
Its interesting that they have done this in a manner that 74 of the 80 will requalify. Boyd Duckett is in 74th place. However, I think at that point it is based on career AOY averages and that puts him in the cut right now.
Last edited by RKT; 08/04/22 05:02 PM.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 05:41 PM
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Douglas J
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Pro fishing is a very "closed" and "good ole boy" type system, it always has been and it's worked to get them to this point.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/04/22 05:46 PM
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RKT
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Pro fishing is a very "closed" and "good ole boy" type system, it always has been and it's worked to get them to this point. It looks like the the "good ole boys" all banded together to form the BPT and are doing what they can to keep others out.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 06:23 PM
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Douglas J
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Pro fishing is a very "closed" and "good ole boy" type system, it always has been and it's worked to get them to this point. It looks like the the "good ole boys" all banded together to form the BPT and are doing what they can to keep others out. They are just protecting their future and their livelihood. Not sure anyone has a "right" to anything that is a private enterprise. They can let in whom they feel needs in and the rest are left to figure out that path on their own. It's an entertainment business really, so to keep the dollars coming in it needs to be entertaining. On a side note I saw Boyd Duckett on Mecum Auctions buying a $100K + "69 Camaro the other day, business must be "ok".
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 08:23 PM
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Lone_Wolf
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So I guess as of now only these guys get invites.
Spencer Shuffield
Josh Butler
Matt Becker
Nick LeBrun
Mitch Crane
John Hunter
If any of those decline (Lebrun/Hunter may qualify for Elites) does the spot go to the next guy on the list of the TWPC or does it go to the BPT guy that was knocked out???
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
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08/04/22 08:28 PM
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Chris B
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So I guess as of now only these guys get invites.
Spencer Shuffield
Josh Butler
Matt Becker
Nick LeBrun
Mitch Crane
John Hunter
If any of those decline (Lebrun/Hunter may qualify for Elites) does the spot go to the next guy on the list of the TWPC or does it go to the BPT guy that was knocked out??? It's seven new invites. You left off Jacob Wall. If any decline it goes to the next BPT angler.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 08:40 PM
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Lone_Wolf
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Anybody confused? Requalification for 2023
Per Major League Fishing rules, 10 of the 80 invitations to fish the Bass Pro Tour will be made available annually to anglers who qualify up from the Tackle Warehouse Pro Circuit. The 80-man 2023 BPT roster will be determined by the following criteria:
1). The top 65 anglers in 2022 Bass Pro Tour AOY points automatically qualify for invitations.
2). The next five invitations are first offered to anglers with unused exemptions. Exemptions include BPT Angler of the Year titles and REDCREST wins (exemptions can only be used one time in an angler’s career). It appears that no exemptions will be needed for the previous AOYs and REDCREST champions to requalify for 2023.
3). If none of the previous REDCREST or AOY winners need an exemption to qualify for 2023, positions 66 through 70 are determined by either an angler’s career average Bass Pro Tour AOY standings – minus one dropped year for every three consecutive years of competition – or his 2022 Bass Pro Tour AOY standings, whichever is higher. All anglers who have competed in the Bass Pro Tour since 2019 or 2020 are allowed to drop their worst season and use their best two or three AOY results for requalification, depending on which year they started fishing the BPT.
Brent Chapman, for example: is currently 79th in 2022 AOY standings, but his three-year career AOY average finish based on 2019, 2020 and 2021 season (2022 being his drop) is 28.33 (well within qualifying for 2023).
4). The final 10 Bass Pro Tour invitations will be offered to the Top 10 anglers in the 2022 Pro Circuit AOY standings. If an existing BPT angler finishes in the Pro Circuit Top 10 and has already requalified through the criteria listed above, his invitation will be offered to the next eligible Bass Pro Tour angler based on career AOY average (more on this below).
Following the culmination of the 2022 Pro Circuit regular season at Lake Champlain on Monday, Bass Pro Tour anglers Michael Neal, Justin Lucas and Dakota Ebare finished the season in the Pro Circuit Top 10. If they maintain their current Bass Pro Tour AOY standings in the top 65 (Ebare is 11th, Lucas is 21st, Neal is 24th) those three spots will revert back to the existing BPT field to refill, based on career lifetime Bass Pro Tour AOY average.
That would effectively move the career-average cut line down three places to 73rd place (more on this below) and leave seven invitations open to the remaining anglers in the 2022 Pro Circuit Top 10 (Spencer Shuffield, Josh Butler, Matt Becker, Nick LeBrun, Mitch Crane, John Hunter and Jacob Wall).
5). If a qualifying angler declines his Bass Pro Tour invitation or retires, that invitation would also revert back to the 2022 BPT field. That invitation will be offered to the next eligible Bass Pro Tour angler based on career AOY average.
Timmy Horton (currently inside the AOY cut in 64th) has announced that he’ll retire from tour-level competition after the 2022 season, which would open up one more position for an existing Bass Pro Tour pro. Why not just knock out the bottom 10. Do a 2 or 3 year rolling AOY average if you want to make it a little more fair for the one odd off year like Chapman is having.
Last edited by Lone_Wolf; 08/04/22 08:40 PM.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 08:47 PM
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Lone_Wolf
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This has Don Rucks fingerprints all over it, this is OCD thinking at its best.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: Douglas J]
#14439761
08/04/22 08:49 PM
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grandbassslayer
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Pro fishing is a very "closed" and "good ole boy" type system, it always has been and it's worked to get them to this point. It looks like the the "good ole boys" all banded together to form the BPT and are doing what they can to keep others out. They are just protecting their future and their livelihood. Not sure anyone has a "right" to anything that is a private enterprise. They can let in whom they feel needs in and the rest are left to figure out that path on their own. It's an entertainment business really, so to keep the dollars coming in it needs to be entertaining. On a side note I saw Boyd Duckett on Mecum Auctions buying a $100K + "69 Camaro the other day, business must be "ok". That’s not fishing money…
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: Douglas J]
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08/04/22 09:06 PM
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RKT
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Pro fishing is a very "closed" and "good ole boy" type system, it always has been and it's worked to get them to this point. It looks like the the "good ole boys" all banded together to form the BPT and are doing what they can to keep others out. They are just protecting their future and their livelihood. Not sure anyone has a "right" to anything that is a private enterprise. They can let in whom they feel needs in and the rest are left to figure out that path on their own. It's an entertainment business really, so to keep the dollars coming in it needs to be entertaining. On a side note I saw Boyd Duckett on Mecum Auctions buying a $100K + "69 Camaro the other day, business must be "ok". Douglas, you have stated exactly my point. BPT is not really a pro fishing tour it is a private club with high dollar sponsors that presents itself as a sports league to increase viewership. They must have handled the business end to where the sponsorship money is spread out amongst them pretty well or anglers would be leaving to go back to BASS. It is really an advertisement business on the company level and the individual level, and not a pro fishing circuit.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 09:20 PM
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Douglas J
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Pro fishing is a very "closed" and "good ole boy" type system, it always has been and it's worked to get them to this point. It looks like the the "good ole boys" all banded together to form the BPT and are doing what they can to keep others out. They are just protecting their future and their livelihood. Not sure anyone has a "right" to anything that is a private enterprise. They can let in whom they feel needs in and the rest are left to figure out that path on their own. It's an entertainment business really, so to keep the dollars coming in it needs to be entertaining. On a side note I saw Boyd Duckett on Mecum Auctions buying a $100K + "69 Camaro the other day, business must be "ok". Douglas, you have stated exactly my point. BPT is not really a pro fishing tour it is a private club with high dollar sponsors that presents itself as a sports league to increase viewership. They must have handled the business end to where the sponsorship money is spread out amongst them pretty well or anglers would be leaving to go back to BASS. It is really an advertisement business on the company level and the individual level, and not a pro fishing circuit. BASS and BPT are very different and that is okay. BPT is more of a reality production that changed their regulations to hopefully appeal to a different crowd. There is obviously room for both in the fishing world, both seem to be doing "okay". I'm more of a BASS fan, but occasionally watch the BPTs that interest me. Smallmouth tourneys up north from either are a ZERO to me. Watching a guy drop on fish like he's catching sandbass isn't for me to watch.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: Lone_Wolf]
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08/04/22 10:01 PM
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Mark Perry
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So I guess as of now only these guys get invites.
Spencer Shuffield
Josh Butler
Matt Becker
Nick LeBrun
Mitch Crane
John Hunter
If any of those decline (Lebrun/Hunter may qualify for Elites) does the spot go to the next guy on the list of the TWPC or does it go to the BPT guy that was knocked out??? The way I read it those guys will be the only TWPC anglers receiving an invite. If they decline it defaults to a current BPT angler in jeopardy of being cut.
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 10:06 PM
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Lone_Wolf
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/04/22 10:18 PM
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sprigsss
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So their claim that,
"Per Major League Fishing rules, 10 of the 80 invitations to fish the Bass Pro Tour will be made available annually to anglers who qualify up from the Tackle Warehouse Pro Circuit."
Is completely bogus...............
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Re: BPT - Hard not to requalify
[Re: RKT]
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08/05/22 12:32 PM
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Tx Tree Grower
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This is just what happens when you give the anglers a vote. They are going to protect their position at the top at all costs. MLF still has the biggest names in the sport but at some point their product will get stale if they don't bring in new talent. With that said it is likely that either Poche or Birdge will qualify for the elites this year. Maybe both. Not sure how that fits into the MLF equation.
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