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Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: JoshMathes] #14431052 07/26/22 11:01 PM
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I am curious to know what laws were broke and what the citation may have been? We all know cheating is wrong and they should probably be banned from any of your events for the future, but is it truly illegal, and if so, what punishment would fit the crime?


Found the cheater....
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I guarantee you I am no cheater. I just was not thinking in the direction of it being theft. I was just having a hard time figuring out what charges/ punishment would fit cheating in a fishing tournament.


Someone cashes a check in a tournament by cheating and you don't think of it as a theft? They stole from the people that did not cheat. Do you not understand that? Wow, how were you raised???? Questionable to say the least.

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Originally Posted by ezbassin
Originally Posted by JoshMathes
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I am curious to know what laws were broke and what the citation may have been? We all know cheating is wrong and they should probably be banned from any of your events for the future, but is it truly illegal, and if so, what punishment would fit the crime?


Found the cheater....
roflmao


I guarantee you I am no cheater. I just was not thinking in the direction of it being theft. I was just having a hard time figuring out what charges/ punishment would fit cheating in a fishing tournament.


Someone cashes a check in a tournament by cheating and you don't think of it as a theft? They stole from the people that did not cheat. Do you not understand that? Wow, how were you raised???? Questionable to say the least.


Kinda like Jeff Sprague?

Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: flashman252] #14431058 07/26/22 11:07 PM
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Since they are kids, and obviously the law isn't going to press charges, maybe there are other ways around this if they ever want to compete again. Make them earn competition again. So clubs can make up their own dollar amount that they want paid back to the club/trail.

Let's say 5k is the amount they want paid back. Let them compete, if they are in the winnings, every dollar goes back to them paying off that amount. If they are not in the winnings, thank you for your entry fee but you have to win up to the amount owed to the club for cheating, if they ever want to cut a check again for their own pocket. Just an idea and maybe will give them a way to earn back the respect among the tournament trails.

In the event they are caught cheating again, then forever banned and at that point should be prosecuted. They would be under some form of contract with both parties agreeable upon the stipulations and cheating would be enforcement to prosecute further. Think of it as a probationary time frame strictly based on how well they could fish and actually earn enough winnings in each tournament, in an HONEST WAY.

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Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: Bass Buster1] #14431060 07/26/22 11:08 PM
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The old principal with a paddle that could lift you off the ground would do wonders for society! Values people, we need them back!



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Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: ToasterWEyes] #14431063 07/26/22 11:11 PM
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Yes they were wrong for cheating, and yes they should have consequences.. but I think it is very poor taste to post their names and tell people where they can find pictures to put names to faces.... These are minors...and there are already people talking about how they should have their [censored] whooped and looking for them on social media. None of us are judge and jury. The media doesn't even report the names of minors in most circumstances. We should be more responsible.

Tight lines guys.


Totally agree.


Who confirmed that they are minors? Could be an 18 year old senior in HS.

Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: flashman252] #14431065 07/26/22 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flashman252
Since they are kids, and obviously the law isn't going to press charges, maybe there are other ways around this if they ever want to compete again. Make them earn competition again. So clubs can make up their own dollar amount that they want paid back to the club/trail.

Let's say 5k is the amount they want paid back. Let them compete, if they are in the winnings, every dollar goes back to them paying off that amount. If they are not in the winnings, thank you for your entry fee but you have to win up to the amount owed to the club for cheating, if they ever want to cut a check again for their own pocket. Just an idea and maybe will give them a way to earn back the respect among the tournament trails.

In the event they are caught cheating again, then forever banned and at that point should be prosecuted. They would be under some form of contract with both parties agreeable upon the stipulations and cheating would be enforcement to prosecute further. Think of it as a probationary time frame strictly based on how well they could fish and actually earn enough winnings in each tournament, in an HONEST WAY.



As I mentioned above, it's not up to courts whether they fish again in tournaments it's up to the TDs and organizations. A TD can choose to let them fish, now he or she does this at the risk of damaging their trails good name and having a line of people demand a entry fee refund and leave. Tournament fishing works because we self regulate. Integrity matters. If you allow people who have shown an inability to conduct themselves in an honest manner to fish the whole deal goes to hell in a hand basket. I dont get the sympathy and desire to let them earn their way back into tournaments, it's the easiest thing in the world to avoid, just dont cheat, it's that simple and they couldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by WALLS
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Yes they were wrong for cheating, and yes they should have consequences.. but I think it is very poor taste to post their names and tell people where they can find pictures to put names to faces.... These are minors...and there are already people talking about how they should have their [censored] whooped and looking for them on social media. None of us are judge and jury. The media doesn't even report the names of minors in most circumstances. We should be more responsible.

Tight lines guys.


Totally agree.


Who confirmed that they are minors? Could be an 18 year old senior in HS.



Says it in the OP

Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: dkmore] #14431079 07/26/22 11:28 PM
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so what will everyone defending them/light punishment say if they had held up a bank, no weapons, and took 9,000.00?

no idea what the tournament paid but same principle. what punishment if they were bank robbers?


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Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: WAWI] #14431089 07/26/22 11:42 PM
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Since they are kids, and obviously the law isn't going to press charges, maybe there are other ways around this if they ever want to compete again. Make them earn competition again. So clubs can make up their own dollar amount that they want paid back to the club/trail.

Let's say 5k is the amount they want paid back. Let them compete, if they are in the winnings, every dollar goes back to them paying off that amount. If they are not in the winnings, thank you for your entry fee but you have to win up to the amount owed to the club for cheating, if they ever want to cut a check again for their own pocket. Just an idea and maybe will give them a way to earn back the respect among the tournament trails.

In the event they are caught cheating again, then forever banned and at that point should be prosecuted. They would be under some form of contract with both parties agreeable upon the stipulations and cheating would be enforcement to prosecute further. Think of it as a probationary time frame strictly based on how well they could fish and actually earn enough winnings in each tournament, in an HONEST WAY.



As I mentioned above, it's not up to courts whether they fish again in tournaments it's up to the TDs and organizations. A TD can choose to let them fish, now he or she does this at the risk of damaging their trails good name and having a line of people demand a entry fee refund and leave. Tournament fishing works because we self regulate. Integrity matters. If you allow people who have shown an inability to conduct themselves in an honest manner to fish the whole deal goes to hell in a hand basket. I dont get the sympathy and desire to let them earn their way back into tournaments, it's the easiest thing in the world to avoid, just dont cheat, it's that simple and they couldn't do it.



And I get this too. But whos to say they don't just cross a border and start fishing somewhere else? You keep that non-sense in Texas. A paper trail of some sort for cheaters would be nice across different tournament clubs/trails. No room in the world for cheaters and I don't get it myself but I am not trying to cut a check when I go fishing. I have done the very few charity tournaments or get together like 5 friends with boats and we all have friendly wagers, but thats about it. It's usually more about drinking, barbequing, getting away from everyday life and just having fun. So I am trying my best to put myself in you alls shoes.

Personally, I think a lifetime ban is perfectly fine. Leave them to rot and sell their boats and take up golf. But kids are kids and kids do stupid things (we all did and you are lying if you tell yourself you didn't). It has been proven multiple times that kids in the teenage era of life lack the ability to make proper decisions because half their brain matter is still mush. It was just a thought/idea for the clubs/trails to keep some sort of paper trail on cheaters who aren't prosecuted by law enforcement.

Let's be real, if team trails or clubs put this kind of sanction on anyone, they probably would quit anyways. If they are having to cheat to compete, they aren't good enough to be in the winnings anyways. Entry fees would not be allowed to go towards what was owed back to the club and it could potentially take years to actually make enough to be able to cut a check for themselves. All the mean while the club is still benefitting from entry fees.

Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: hopalong] #14431090 07/26/22 11:42 PM
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so what will everyone defending them/light punishment say if they had held up a bank?

Stop trying to reason with them , These are they same folk who started giving out participation trophies. Wake up America!

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IMO, there should be punishment including restitution for the last tournament (if they admitted) as well as community service and a ban from tournaments for a set period of time. However, I am willing to be more lenient than many others considering they were minors. The good ole day syndrome is strong with this bunch. Minors do stupid things…I did when I was a minor and my 5 boys did as well. Frankly having 5 boys heavily involved in sports, I would venture to say I have seem more cheating from the adults than the kids. I would not be willing to sentence these kids to a lifetime ban for doing something incredibly stupid as a teenager. I also think it is wrong to post their info.

Re: Cheaters on Eagle Mountain [Re: ezbassin] #14431094 07/26/22 11:45 PM
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As a captain for my son I find this very irritating. We just finished the third year of fishing THSBA in which we have only placed once in the top 20 over the three years we have done this. I have suspected there was cheating going on and figured this scenario was possible. This undermines the trust of tournament fishing to the point of me thinking that it needs to get back to what fishing was to start with, family and friends getting together for an afternoon at the lake.

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so what will everyone defending them/light punishment say if they had held up a bank, no weapons, and took 9,000.00?

no idea what the tournament paid but same principle. what punishment if they were bank robbers?


well if law enforcement decided to drop all charges (like in this case) I guess there would be no punishment. The robber still could walk into any bank and hypothetically rob another one. That's the issue and the only reason this thread is 9 pages long so far, because these kids are not being prosecuted. No doubt they cheated and they are wrong and they confessed, but nothing is necessarily happening to them except life time bans. All I am proposing is find a way to hold them to an agreement/contract/probationary timeframe to work their way out of the hole they created for themselves. All the meanwhile clubs could talk and have fair warning, with stipulations agreed upon in a contract, if they tried to go fish other tournaments elsewhere.

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so what will everyone defending them/light punishment say if they had held up a bank?

Stop trying to reason with them , These are they same mother [censored] who started giving out participation trophies. Wake up America!



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Originally Posted by David Welcher
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so what will everyone defending them/light punishment say if they had held up a bank?

Stop trying to reason with them , These are they same folk who started giving out participation trophies. Wake up America!


And I'm guessing you a part of the generation that raised their parents. Congrats, great job!

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