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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: chickenman]
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06/04/22 01:50 PM
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Greg Abbott said it was a mental health issue......one month after he cut more than $210 million from the Health and Human Services Commission, which oversees mental health services here in Texas.
Good job, Greg. When did it become our Governments responsibility to help us manage our mental or physical heath? It started in LBJ's Great Society - about 1966 or so.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: chickenman]
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06/04/22 01:51 PM
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Greg Abbott said it was a mental health issue......one month after he cut more than $210 million from the Health and Human Services Commission, which oversees mental health services here in Texas.
Good job, Greg. When did it become our Governments responsibility to help us manage our mental or physical heath? since many appear to not be able to
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Flip Flop Fisher]
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06/04/22 02:13 PM
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HasBen
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Greg Abbott said it was a mental health issue......one month after he cut more than $210 million from the Health and Human Services Commission, which oversees mental health services here in Texas.
Good job, Greg. When did it become our Governments responsibility to help us manage our mental or physical heath? since many appear to not be able to The government is dang sure not the answer.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: chickenman]
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06/04/22 02:20 PM
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921 Phoenix
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Greg Abbott said it was a mental health issue......one month after he cut more than $210 million from the Health and Human Services Commission, which oversees mental health services here in Texas.
Good job, Greg. When did it become our Governments responsibility to help us manage our mental or physical heath? well since the government created a lot of these issues they should but are not capable of doing anything about it. They made it to were women needed to go to work to help break up families. they created abortion to show life means nothing. they made families depend on the government for generations. they made divorce easy so men were gone out of the households to raise kids. they took the bible out to take away the moral and ethical background from kids out of school. We could go on and on but the very government that now says it wants to fix the problem they help to create. they take no responsibility to what they did. The only thing the government has done in last 50-60 years is start destroying a great country with their greed and power hungry selves. The only thing they will do is try and use this to take more of our rights. They will either use gun control or mental health to take more rights from us. how dumb do most of us think the argument made on here that Daniel Defense is responsible for the mass shooting in Texas. Yet we are willing to let them take away our rights through gun control or mental illness under the gish of we need to protect the kids. They don't really want to protect our kids they want control of our kids and us. stop abortion stop trying to take away our future through control, taxes, and inflation. put the bible back in the school if the nuts don't want to listen then don't let the rest have the encouragement put the criminal politicians in jail starting with biden and hillary for the time lock the schools and put arm guard there to protect them and quit sending our money overseas when we need it right here. Stop giving out participation trophies and make kids earn their way. These are just a few things we could do but neither democrats or republicans want to lose control. yes there is a lot we can do but absolutely won't. we are still arguing over this murder in texas that supposedly got his gun over the internet. which is absolutely impossible to do without going through a FFL dealer.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/04/22 03:34 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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we are still arguing over this murder in texas that supposedly got his gun over the internet. which is absolutely impossible to do without going through a FFL dealer. It's not impossible. Private sales in Texas do not require an FFL as long as you are selling to another person in the state, they are over 18, and you aren't buying and selling firearms for profit (more info on private firearms sales at: https://faq.sll.texas.gov/questions/44008). So yes, you can find a private sale on the Internet and as long as the buyer and seller are Texas residents, no FFL is required. If selling across state lines, an FFL must be involved. I am also pretty sure it is legal for a Texas resident to sell and ship a rifle to another Texas resident (personally, I wouldn't ship a rifle to anyone unless I knew them). You cannot ship a handgun ( https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service). I'm not sure where all the talk about the Uvalde killer buying his guns over the Internet got started, but this article and many others state he bought them locally through an FFL dealer - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally. It's possible he ordered the rifles on the Internet and had them shipped to the dealer, but I haven't found any info confirming that. Either way, there was nothing illegal about the transaction. The available information shows the kid must have passed a NICS background check.
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/04/22 03:36 PM
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Techfisher
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So 921...sounds like you'd like to setup or are advocating for some kind of theocratic society...not happening.
Abortion...none of your or anyone else's business. Yet you and your fellow religionists are trying to control what a woman can or can't do based on your religious/personal beliefs...and you whine about the govt. trying to take away your rights. Just what do you think you are doing with your push to ban abortions?? You are supporting the very thing you are railing against...control by others. Cant have it both ways.
Schools...yes we have some issues in our education system. But putting a bible in a class room won't solve those issues. You want morals taught then I suggest that you start with the parents...that is supposed to be their job.
Arresting politicians...good luck with that. Won't happen. Kinda like term limits...do yo really think politicians are going to vote to cutoff their gravy train?? Until people stop returning incumbent politicians to office and actually look at what they have done...or in most cases not done, then nothing will change. You realize that only about half of the people in this country vote?? The other half is either doesn't care or are too lazy.
I do agree we send entirely too much money overseas. But just what programs or funding should we cut??
It seems at times this country has gone off the rails. Yet many of us still get up each day, go work, try to help our fellow man, and in general live decent lives. We have always had problems in this country but in todays world of mass media, Internet, etc. every little problem, incident gets spread rapidly and it seems we are in a constant state of anxiety over everything. And those with an agenda play off of this anxiety and keep people in constant fear about everything so they can offer "solutions" which may or may not work but succeed in eroding our rights and privileges little by little. Will this country go the way of the Roman Empire?? Very likely but hopefully not in my lifetime nor my young nephews lifetimes.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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06/04/22 04:14 PM
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921 Phoenix
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we are still arguing over this murder in texas that supposedly got his gun over the internet. which is absolutely impossible to do without going through a FFL dealer. It's not impossible. Private sales in Texas do not require an FFL as long as you are selling to another person in the state, they are over 18, and you aren't buying and selling firearms for profit (more info on private firearms sales at: https://faq.sll.texas.gov/questions/44008). So yes, you can find a private sale on the Internet and as long as the buyer and seller are Texas residents, no FFL is required. If selling across state lines, an FFL must be involved. I am also pretty sure it is legal for a Texas resident to sell and ship a rifle to another Texas resident (personally, I wouldn't ship a rifle to anyone unless I knew them). You cannot ship a handgun ( https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service). I'm not sure where all the talk about the Uvalde killer buying his guns over the Internet got started, but this article and many others state he bought them locally through an FFL dealer - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally. It's possible he ordered the rifles on the Internet and had them shipped to the dealer, but I haven't found any info confirming that. Either way, there was nothing illegal about the transaction. The available information shows the kid must have passed a NICS background check. Yes JP your right and I knew that I was referring only to the argument the Texas murder bought his Daniel Defense AR 15 over the internet without going through a FFL I do not know of anyway to buy from a manufacturer or dealer without getting a background check I have bought In Texas from a Texas resident without going through a FFL but it was used pistol And yes to my knowledge you can but any legal firearm from a Texas resident without going through FFL just not new firearms
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Techfisher]
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06/04/22 04:18 PM
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921 Phoenix
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So 921...sounds like you'd like to setup or are advocating for some kind of theocratic society...not happening.
Abortion...none of your or anyone else's business. Yet you and your fellow religionists are trying to control what a woman can or can't do based on your religious/personal beliefs...and you whine about the govt. trying to take away your rights. Just what do you think you are doing with your push to ban abortions?? You are supporting the very thing you are railing against...control by others. Cant have it both ways.
Here is the biggest concern most Christians have with abortion it’s murder we see it no different than the mass murder in Texas we all want that kind of mass murder stop regardless of whether it’s kids or not. So yes we want the murder of innocent unborn babies stop to. Yes you don’t believe it’s murder because you don’t believe in the Bible we do. We will never agree on this.
Good day
Schools...yes we have some issues in our education system. But putting a bible in a class room won't solve those issues. You want morals taught then I suggest that you start with the parents...that is supposed to be their job.
Arresting politicians...good luck with that. Won't happen. Kinda like term limits...do yo really think politicians are going to vote to cutoff their gravy train?? Until people stop returning incumbent politicians to office and actually look at what they have done...or in most cases not done, then nothing will change. You realize that only about half of the people in this country vote?? The other half is either doesn't care or are too lazy.
I do agree we send entirely too much money overseas. But just what programs or funding should we cut??
It seems at times this country has gone off the rails. Yet many of us still get up each day, go work, try to help our fellow man, and in general live decent lives. We have always had problems in this country but in todays world of mass media, Internet, etc. every little problem, incident gets spread rapidly and it seems we are in a constant state of anxiety over everything. And those with an agenda play off of this anxiety and keep people in constant fear about everything so they can offer "solutions" which may or may not work but succeed in eroding our rights and privileges little by little. Will this country go the way of the Roman Empire?? Very likely but hopefully not in my lifetime nor my young nephews lifetimes.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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06/04/22 04:34 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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we are still arguing over this murder in texas that supposedly got his gun over the internet. which is absolutely impossible to do without going through a FFL dealer. It's not impossible. Private sales in Texas do not require an FFL as long as you are selling to another person in the state, they are over 18, and you aren't buying and selling firearms for profit (more info on private firearms sales at: https://faq.sll.texas.gov/questions/44008). So yes, you can find a private sale on the Internet and as long as the buyer and seller are Texas residents, no FFL is required. If selling across state lines, an FFL must be involved. I am also pretty sure it is legal for a Texas resident to sell and ship a rifle to another Texas resident (personally, I wouldn't ship a rifle to anyone unless I knew them). You cannot ship a handgun ( https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service). I'm not sure where all the talk about the Uvalde killer buying his guns over the Internet got started, but this article and many others state he bought them locally through an FFL dealer - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally. It's possible he ordered the rifles on the Internet and had them shipped to the dealer, but I haven't found any info confirming that. Either way, there was nothing illegal about the transaction. The available information shows the kid must have passed a NICS background check. Yes JP your right and I knew that I was referring only to the argument the Texas murder bought his Daniel Defense AR 15 over the internet without going through a FFL I do not know of anyway to buy from a manufacturer or dealer without getting a background check I have bought In Texas from a Texas resident without going through a FFL but it was used pistol And yes to my knowledge you can but any legal firearm from a Texas resident without going through FFL just not new firearms My response was more for general information purposes rather than a retort to your post. As a former hunting guide and owner/operator of the THF, I've dealt with Texas gun laws for years and probably have a better understanding of the laws regarding firearms and firearms in general than most folks. We have lots of misinformation that gets posted on our forums and even more being circulated by the media. You seem to know your stuff 921. When we type a response, it doesn't always come across as intended.
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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06/04/22 05:08 PM
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921 Phoenix
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we are still arguing over this murder in texas that supposedly got his gun over the internet. which is absolutely impossible to do without going through a FFL dealer. It's not impossible. Private sales in Texas do not require an FFL as long as you are selling to another person in the state, they are over 18, and you aren't buying and selling firearms for profit (more info on private firearms sales at: https://faq.sll.texas.gov/questions/44008). So yes, you can find a private sale on the Internet and as long as the buyer and seller are Texas residents, no FFL is required. If selling across state lines, an FFL must be involved. I am also pretty sure it is legal for a Texas resident to sell and ship a rifle to another Texas resident (personally, I wouldn't ship a rifle to anyone unless I knew them). You cannot ship a handgun ( https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service). I'm not sure where all the talk about the Uvalde killer buying his guns over the Internet got started, but this article and many others state he bought them locally through an FFL dealer - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally. It's possible he ordered the rifles on the Internet and had them shipped to the dealer, but I haven't found any info confirming that. Either way, there was nothing illegal about the transaction. The available information shows the kid must have passed a NICS background check. Yes JP your right and I knew that I was referring only to the argument the Texas murder bought his Daniel Defense AR 15 over the internet without going through a FFL I do not know of anyway to buy from a manufacturer or dealer without getting a background check I have bought In Texas from a Texas resident without going through a FFL but it was used pistol And yes to my knowledge you can but any legal firearm from a Texas resident without going through FFL just not new firearms My response was more for general information purposes rather than a retort to your post. As a former hunting guide and owner/operator of the THF, I've dealt with Texas gun laws for years and probably have a better understanding of the laws regarding firearms and firearms in general than most folks. We have lots of misinformation that gets posted on our forums and even more being circulated by the media. You seem to know your stuff 921. When we type a response, it doesn't always come across as intended. Yes you are right once again I don’t have the best grammar skills as has been pointed out many times on here lol Sometimes with our emotions we don’t do a good job of getting our true point across lol And the WOS WAS BUILD WHEN WE DO LOL
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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06/04/22 05:16 PM
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we are still arguing over this murder in texas that supposedly got his gun over the internet. which is absolutely impossible to do without going through a FFL dealer. It's not impossible. Private sales in Texas do not require an FFL as long as you are selling to another person in the state, they are over 18, and you aren't buying and selling firearms for profit (more info on private firearms sales at: https://faq.sll.texas.gov/questions/44008). So yes, you can find a private sale on the Internet and as long as the buyer and seller are Texas residents, no FFL is required. If selling across state lines, an FFL must be involved. I am also pretty sure it is legal for a Texas resident to sell and ship a rifle to another Texas resident (personally, I wouldn't ship a rifle to anyone unless I knew them). You cannot ship a handgun ( https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-through-us-postal-service). I'm not sure where all the talk about the Uvalde killer buying his guns over the Internet got started, but this article and many others state he bought them locally through an FFL dealer - https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/uvalde-shooter-bought-gun-legally. It's possible he ordered the rifles on the Internet and had them shipped to the dealer, but I haven't found any info confirming that. Either way, there was nothing illegal about the transaction. The available information shows the kid must have passed a NICS background check. Yes JP your right and I knew that I was referring only to the argument the Texas murder bought his Daniel Defense AR 15 over the internet without going through a FFL I do not know of anyway to buy from a manufacturer or dealer without getting a background check I have bought In Texas from a Texas resident without going through a FFL but it was used pistol And yes to my knowledge you can but any legal firearm from a Texas resident without going through FFL just not new firearms My response was more for general information purposes rather than a retort to your post. As a former hunting guide and owner/operator of the THF, I've dealt with Texas gun laws for years and probably have a better understanding of the laws regarding firearms and firearms in general than most folks. We have lots of misinformation that gets posted on our forums and even more being circulated by the media. You seem to know your stuff 921. When we type a response, it doesn't always come across as intended. You know JP is one thing I always found peculiar when buying a gun. I have gone in and made a purchase and walked out thirty minutes later with new firearm. I have also gone in and made a purchase and the feds take days to get back so I have to go back later and get the firearm. I went in about five years ago and I was buying a couple new pistols and filled out paperwork and they sent in to feds and the feds never got back to them. I didn’t know this but if the feds fail to get back within I think it was ten days I can get firearm anyway and the dealer gave them to me. I have wonder ever since do they actually look at all the paper work filed
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/04/22 05:35 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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You know JP is one thing I always found peculiar when buying a gun. I have gone in and made a purchase and walked out thirty minutes later with new firearm. I have also gone in and made a purchase and the feds take days to get back so I have to go back later and get the firearm. I went in about five years ago and I was buying a couple new pistols and filled out paperwork and they sent in to feds and the feds never got back to them. I didn’t know this but if the feds fail to get back within I think it was ten days I can get firearm anyway and the dealer gave them to me. I have wonder ever since do they actually look at all the paper work filed I think that usually, a delay is just part of what happens anytime you are dealing with a government agency, which in your case probably means it has nothing to do with your background and is simply related to an inefficient or overloaded government system. As to them looking at the paperwork, I would guess the only time a human reviews an application is when there is a red flag, but again, that's only a guess. Here's a little more info about the NICS checks and delays. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-check-system-cause-delays-idUSKBN26622Ahttps://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/background-checkshttps://www.nssf.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NSSF-Factsheet-NICS-Delays.pdf
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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06/04/22 05:36 PM
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Emit R Detsaw
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You know JP is one thing I always found peculiar when buying a gun. I have gone in and made a purchase and walked out thirty minutes later with new firearm. I have also gone in and made a purchase and the feds take days to get back so I have to go back later and get the firearm. I went in about five years ago and I was buying a couple new pistols and filled out paperwork and they sent in to feds and the feds never got back to them. I didn’t know this but if the feds fail to get back within I think it was ten days I can get firearm anyway and the dealer gave them to me. I have wonder ever since do they actually look at all the paper work filed
The last time I was working for Academy selling guns, it was a 3 day, not 10 days. But, Academy had a policy to not let the gun leave the store until the background check passed, no matter how long it had to sit in the pending status. If they let the gun leave the store after the waiting period, then a failed background finally came back from the check, the store was responsible for getting the gun back.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/04/22 05:41 PM
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I've been delayed. No biggie.
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