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06/03/22 02:06 AM
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Gato Azul
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Let me preface this post by stating that I am also a member of the sister forum to this…the Tx Hunting Forum. I am as much a hunter as a fisherman with multiple firearms in my safe. If I post this over there, I would be outnumbered 100 to 1 and would surely get accosted as some liberal wacko who wants to take everyone’s guns away. When Covid began I posted on that forum that it was a real threat and emphasized the idea of exponential growth (to bring out the fast spread). I was set upon with insults and attacks, as well as excuses like “It’s a democratic hoax”, “it’s no worse than the flu”, etc., etc. And as we know now, over 1 million fellow Americans are no longer with us and more than likely, almost everyone on that forum has a family member, relative, friend, or acquaintance that died from Covid or has long term health damage because of it. Anyway, I am not going to comment further on this thread because I already know the excuses and deflections that some will throw out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1l2LQGyP8Interesting video by a guy that looks “real” on why arming teachers is not a good solution. You don’t just give a teacher a handgun and say “protect your kids” and expect all of a sudden that they can switch from “teacher” to “warrior”. He brings out some valid points that make sense. One thing that the video doesn’t mention is that a teacher with a handgun will almost always lose, not just because of lack of training and experience, but because they will be outgunned...the shooter will almost certainly have an assault rifle with tons of ammo and maybe even body armor. Perfect example is Buffalo where a retired policeman with years of training and experience lost because his weapon was no match for the shooter's AR15 and body armor.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 02:19 AM
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Dubee
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Let me preface this post by stating that I am also a member of the sister forum to this…the Tx Hunting Forum. I am as much a hunter as a fisherman with multiple firearms in my safe. If I post this over there, I would be outnumbered 100 to 1 and would surely get accosted as some liberal wacko who wants to take everyone’s guns away. When Covid began I posted on that forum that it was a real threat and emphasized the idea of exponential growth (to bring out the fast spread). I was set upon with insults and attacks, as well as excuses like “It’s a democratic hoax”, “it’s no worse than the flu”, etc., etc. And as we know now, over 1 million fellow Americans are no longer with us and more than likely, almost everyone on that forum has a family member, relative, friend, or acquaintance that died from Covid or has long term health damage because of it. Anyway, I am not going to comment further on this thread because I already know the excuses and deflections that some will throw out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1l2LQGyP8Interesting video by a guy that looks “real” on why arming teachers is not a good solution. You don’t just give a teacher a handgun and say “protect your kids” and expect all of a sudden that they can switch from “teacher” to “warrior”. He brings out some valid points that make sense. One thing that the video doesn’t mention is that a teacher with a handgun will almost always lose, not just because of lack of training and experience, but because they will be outgunned...the shooter will almost certainly have an assault rifle with tons of ammo and maybe even body armor. Perfect example is Buffalo where a retired policeman with years of training and experience lost because his weapon was no match for the shooter's AR15 and body armor. Whole lot of bs. Arm every damn teacher
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Dubee]
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06/03/22 02:22 AM
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Let me preface this post by stating that I am also a member of the sister forum to this…the Tx Hunting Forum. I am as much a hunter as a fisherman with multiple firearms in my safe. If I post this over there, I would be outnumbered 100 to 1 and would surely get accosted as some liberal wacko who wants to take everyone’s guns away. When Covid began I posted on that forum that it was a real threat and emphasized the idea of exponential growth (to bring out the fast spread). I was set upon with insults and attacks, as well as excuses like “It’s a democratic hoax”, “it’s no worse than the flu”, etc., etc. And as we know now, over 1 million fellow Americans are no longer with us and more than likely, almost everyone on that forum has a family member, relative, friend, or acquaintance that died from Covid or has long term health damage because of it. Anyway, I am not going to comment further on this thread because I already know the excuses and deflections that some will throw out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1l2LQGyP8Interesting video by a guy that looks “real” on why arming teachers is not a good solution. You don’t just give a teacher a handgun and say “protect your kids” and expect all of a sudden that they can switch from “teacher” to “warrior”. He brings out some valid points that make sense. One thing that the video doesn’t mention is that a teacher with a handgun will almost always lose, not just because of lack of training and experience, but because they will be outgunned...the shooter will almost certainly have an assault rifle with tons of ammo and maybe even body armor. Perfect example is Buffalo where a retired policeman with years of training and experience lost because his weapon was no match for the shooter's AR15 and body armor. Whole lot of bs. Arm every damn teacher yep would rather died trying to protect the kids and myself than to have no chance. your post is a big reason so many kids get killed in gun free zones. Gun free zones are a free killing field for losers.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Dubee]
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06/03/22 02:35 AM
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LoneStarSon
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Whole lot of bs. Arm every damn teacher
No. I don't agree with that at all. I know too many young teachers. They shouldn't be teachers, much less armed, but hey, we let them teach. NO. Just No. Get some veterans, or police, or something, and sure, arm some teachers, but only after some really strong psychological evaluations and a boat load of training.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 02:38 AM
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kennerdude
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How much hazardous duty pay are teachers going to receive? Are we going to assign an arbitrary number, certain percentage, who’s going to determine that? Who’s gonna pay for the teacher to get properly trained with a weapon? How often does the teacher need to go through training on a yearly basis?
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 02:54 AM
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Gixxer1k
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Our teachers are armed and I’m a fan. 1st district in Texas to do it.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: LoneStarSon]
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06/03/22 02:54 AM
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JCBYEN
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Whole lot of bs. Arm every damn teacher
No. I don't agree with that at all. I know too many young teachers. They shouldn't be teachers, much less armed, but hey, we let them teach. NO. Just No. Get some veterans, or police, or something, and sure, arm some teachers, but only after some really strong psychological evaluations and a boat load of training. And Only teachers that want to. Do not force this on incompetents.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Dubee]
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06/03/22 03:01 AM
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Ted Dyer
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Let me preface this post by stating that I am also a member of the sister forum to this…the Tx Hunting Forum. I am as much a hunter as a fisherman with multiple firearms in my safe. If I post this over there, I would be outnumbered 100 to 1 and would surely get accosted as some liberal wacko who wants to take everyone’s guns away. When Covid began I posted on that forum that it was a real threat and emphasized the idea of exponential growth (to bring out the fast spread). I was set upon with insults and attacks, as well as excuses like “It’s a democratic hoax”, “it’s no worse than the flu”, etc., etc. And as we know now, over 1 million fellow Americans are no longer with us and more than likely, almost everyone on that forum has a family member, relative, friend, or acquaintance that died from Covid or has long term health damage because of it. Anyway, I am not going to comment further on this thread because I already know the excuses and deflections that some will throw out there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1l2LQGyP8Interesting video by a guy that looks “real” on why arming teachers is not a good solution. You don’t just give a teacher a handgun and say “protect your kids” and expect all of a sudden that they can switch from “teacher” to “warrior”. He brings out some valid points that make sense. One thing that the video doesn’t mention is that a teacher with a handgun will almost always lose, not just because of lack of training and experience, but because they will be outgunned...the shooter will almost certainly have an assault rifle with tons of ammo and maybe even body armor. Perfect example is Buffalo where a retired policeman with years of training and experience lost because his weapon was no match for the shooter's AR15 and body armor. Whole lot of bs. Arm every damn teacher Arming teachers is the 2nd worst idea I’ve heard on this topic right behind single point of ingress/egress
  Courage - knowing something will hurt and still doing it. Stupidity - knowing something will hurt and still doing it. That’s why life is difficult
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 03:12 AM
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crankn101
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Finger print gun safes for the teachers that want to arm up for the kids.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
#14383725
06/03/22 03:15 AM
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Jimbo
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You don't just hand a gun to a teacher and tell them they have to protect their kids, and as far as I know that hasn't ever been mentioned. Whoever is saying that is probably the same person who views every semi auto as an assault weapon! If a teacher wants to be able to carry, they need to volunteer and be serious about extensive training on it's use. Ideally the teacher would have a backround in law enforcement or the military. This wouldn't be a position for some wet behind the ears teacher who just wants to play cowboy! 
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 03:23 AM
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spazm09
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Re: Arming Teachers
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06/03/22 03:25 AM
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yes when I lived in south Arkansas why you ask?
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 03:28 AM
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Uncle Zeek
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Funny timing. I'm writing a letter to my ISD offering to volunteer as armed security. Also discuss the idea of arming teachers, and the reality is that most teachers don't have the temperament, background, etc to be capable of using deadly force when it's needed. It's not a question of courage - they're just not capable of pulling the trigger to take a criminals life, even to protect themselves or their kids.
Now, for the ones who are willing and able, by all means. But it also wouldn't hurt to ask for parents with combat experience etc to volunteer to take turns at the schools.
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
#14383750
06/03/22 03:48 AM
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Scagnetti
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We can’t just stop at arming teachers, we also have to arm supermarket workers, hotel workers, rabbis, nightclub workers, preachers, post office workers, restaurant workers, etc.
The only way to stop this is to get more guns in people’s hands whether they like it or not and that includes the womenfolk
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Re: Arming Teachers
[Re: Gato Azul]
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06/03/22 04:03 AM
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balazs
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An entire squad of police officers with long guns and body armor waited outside because they deemed an active shooter with an AR-15 too dangerous to confront, so I don't think a teacher with a handgun getting payed 30k should be expected to be a hero. If they want the gun and are trained w psychological evaluation, fine, but like others said don't force it upon incompetents.
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