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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: Stump jumper] #14288770 02/18/22 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Stump jumper
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The corn farmers are not going to be happy.

Maybe the cattle ranchers will be!

Add the deer hunters



And brewers. The farmers can go back to growing more hops and barley

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When I toured the Miller Brewery they touted that the grains they used were fed to cattle. They explained that in the brewing process they were extracting the sugar from the grain to make their beers. They then dried it and sold it as fed to ranchers saying it was more nutritious for livestock... Wouldn't the same be true for corn used to make ethanol???... Dan


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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: PondFish] #14288847 02/18/22 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PondFish
Originally Posted by Stump jumper
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The corn farmers are not going to be happy.

Maybe the cattle ranchers will be!

Add the deer hunters



And brewers. The farmers can go back to growing more hops and barley


Bourbon has to be at least 51% corn. Bourbon supply has been suffering shortages.


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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: justme1581] #14288850 02/18/22 03:25 PM
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I just never thought making fuel out of food was a good idea. Ethanol changed the Midwest farming culture dramatically. Lots of government subsidies made it work for a while.


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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: HasBen] #14288925 02/18/22 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by HasBen
I just never thought making fuel out of food was a good idea. Ethanol changed the Midwest farming culture dramatically. Lots of government subsidies made it work for a while.



subsidies to mega corp. farms. doubt the subsidies will go away any time soon either due to that.

How much does the US government subsidize ethanol?
The ethanol subsidy, which is commonly referred to as the "blender's credit," offers ethanol blenders registered with the Internal Revenue Service a tax credit of 45 cents for every gallon of pure ethanol they blend with gasoline.Sep 4, 2021

https://www.thoughtco.com/understanding-the-ethanol-subsidy-3321701


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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: justme1581] #14288950 02/18/22 05:12 PM
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The food for fuel argument is really pretty lame. There is not a shortage of food. And corn is not very high on the list of nutritious crops.

The real argument against ethanol as a fuel source is that it is very extremely inefficient. Making ethanol involves a triple distillation process. That means you have to boil it until it completely evaporates three times. This is usually done using natural gas as a fuel source. Sometimes it is done using electric burners, and sometimes that electricity is provided by diesel powered generators.

All of this is done to create a fuel that burns cleaner than gasoline on a per gallon basis. But the reality is we are burning 1.5 to 2 gallons of gasoline to produce a gallon of ethanol. And that gallon of ethanol can only drive your car about 70% as far as a gallon of gas could. So basically, we are creating almost twice the carbon emissions by using ethanol.


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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: justme1581] #14288971 02/18/22 05:45 PM
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Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline. "That helps explain why fossil fuels -- not ethanol -- are used to produce ethanol," Pimentel says. "The growers and processors can't afford to burn ethanol to make ethanol.


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MIT says…..

Federal ethanol mandates in the United States have played an important role in the increase in corn prices, which are approaching $7 a bushel, up from historical norms of $2 to $3. The mandates—called the renewable fuel standard—require fuel distributors to use a certain amount of ethanol each year, with the amount increasing each year.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2011/03/23/196198/ethanol-blamed-for-record-food-prices/


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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: HasBen] #14289042 02/18/22 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HasBen
The corn farmers are not going to be happy.



Lobbyists were always the reason for this.
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Whatever with this ethanol nonsense. All I know is that Brandon didn’t give me any free money this year. As a result, he lost my vote.

If the libs are going to level the playing field, we might as well vote for a GOPer.

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Originally Posted by Sawhorse
Whatever with this ethanol nonsense. All I know is that Brandon didn’t give me any free money this year. As a result, he lost my vote.

If the libs are going to level the playing field, we might as well vote for a GOPer.

He increased the limit on my EBT card ...

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Whatever with this ethanol nonsense. All I know is that Brandon didn’t give me any free money this year. As a result, he lost my vote.

If the libs are going to level the playing field, we might as well vote for a GOPer.

He increased the limit on my EBT card ...

It’s not that I’m not happy for you, because I am…I’m just all about me.

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Re: End of ethanol? [Re: justme1581] #14289228 02/18/22 10:45 PM
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That corn gas is no good. That being said, letting something sit up is no good too. We are all guilty of it.


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