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 Re: LOOKING AT FISH
[Re: Bryanmc57]
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02/17/22 05:38 PM
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So, I guess if you drop a spoon in 60 feet of water into a school of fish you can see on your 2d sonar they had better be hooked in the mouth as well.... Big difference in 2d and real time
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 05:45 PM
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Technically you are not "looking at fish" with live sonar. You're looking at an image that is produced by a transducer to transmit and receive acoustic energy signals, or "pings".
So you are not actually "looking at fish", whereas sight fishing you are physically "looking at fish".
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
[Re: HDVS]
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02/17/22 05:47 PM
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So, I guess if you drop a spoon in 60 feet of water into a school of fish you can see on your 2d sonar they had better be hooked in the mouth as well.... Big difference in 2d and real time So you are "that guy" brings it up as a question but it's really not a question. So you want more rules then ? Just what fishing needs more rules.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 05:57 PM
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Yes it is that simple, we don't need a new livescope rule in tournaments because of a few scumbags. That would fall into the intentional snagging rule that is already in place.
I mostly catch livescope fish with a topwater , they are not always hooked "inside" the mouth. Same for the jerkbait crowd , just because you see em on a screen doesn't mean a snag is intentional.
Your A rig snaggers are "intentionally" snagging there is already a rule for that. Yes I agree with the coming up on a bait to eat or kill it. The thing that kinda made me start questioning things is when all these guys started putting bigger hooks on there jerkbaits to get them down level with the fish they see and some guys ripping the a-rigs. I'm not saying I am for new rules just seeing what others thought.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 05:59 PM
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So, I guess if you drop a spoon in 60 feet of water into a school of fish you can see on your 2d sonar they had better be hooked in the mouth as well.... Big difference in 2d and real time So you are "that guy" brings it up as a question but it's really not a question. So you want more rules then ? Just what fishing needs more rules. Read my response! And no you r always one of those guys that want to turn a conversation into smart**s comment! That is why people leave this forum
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:11 PM
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Technically you are not "looking at fish" with live sonar. You're looking at an image that is produced by a transducer to transmit and receive acoustic energy signals, or "pings".
So you are not actually "looking at fish", whereas sight fishing you are physically "looking at fish". Well I understand the technical side of that but that blob is a fish and guys know that. Alot of guys say they can tell what kinda fish it is also.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:22 PM
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People have seen fish for years on depthfinders when fishing and no special rules have been needed. Personally I don't see a need for a new rule now. Sight fishing is a totally different deal than FFS.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:25 PM
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People have seen fish for years on depthfinders when fishing and no special rules have been needed. Personally I don't see a need for a new rule now. Sight fishing is a totally different deal than FFS. Thanks I appreciate ur opinion. Just playing devils advocate here. Asking questions
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
[Re: HDVS]
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02/17/22 06:28 PM
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So, I guess if you drop a spoon in 60 feet of water into a school of fish you can see on your 2d sonar they had better be hooked in the mouth as well.... Big difference in 2d and real time So you are "that guy" brings it up as a question but it's really not a question. So you want more rules then ? Just what fishing needs more rules. Read my response! And no you r always one of those guys that want to turn a conversation into smart**s comment! That is why people leave this forum actual LOL , yes there is no telling how many people I run off the TFF
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
[Re: Mark Perry]
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02/17/22 06:29 PM
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People have seen fish for years on depthfinders when fishing and no special rules have been needed. Personally I don't see a need for a new rule now. Sight fishing is a totally different deal than FFS. I just sounds better coming from Mark.......
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:33 PM
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I still don't see how you can argue livescope and sight fishing aren't the same. I am not advocating for more rules, but it is definitely sight fishing 100%. Anytime you deal with money and cheating there will be a need to reevaluate the laws and rules we have in place as long as technology continues to improve. Personally, I am not worried about the livescope guys when fishing a tournament.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:40 PM
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That's it, I'm putting 5 treble hooks on my A-rig.
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:42 PM
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I still don't see how you can argue livescope and sight fishing aren't the same. I am not advocating for more rules, but it is definitely sight fishing 100%. Anytime you deal with money and cheating there will be a need to reevaluate the laws and rules we have in place as long as technology continues to improve. Personally, I am not worried about the livescope guys when fishing a tournament. I agree. I don't worry about them either. I will always fish how I fish. But in my opinion it is 100% sight fishing for guys that really know the technology
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:43 PM
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That's it, I'm putting 5 treble hooks on my A-rig. I am sure it's been done. lol
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Re: LOOKING AT FISH
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02/17/22 06:53 PM
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I want to fish with the guy who is good enough to cast out in front of the boat and snag fished based on his sonar signal.
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