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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: Douglas J] #14289016 02/18/22 06:26 PM
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I certainly understand and respect your points regarding the battery.

At this time, I'm fascinated by EVs for recreation and in fact just recently started a Blog about Motorcycles, UTVs, ATVs and Watercraft as I think this is the future. I also just put a deposit down on a Volcon Grunt....which I can't wait to get. Now if I could just convert my Mule to electric for quiet operation in the woods!!!

I have a 2018 Skeeter that I love and I can't see any of the current electric options replacing that right now, but it's coming. I do think the Pure Watercraft system does have application and as I pointed out in my Blog it's not for tournament fisherman or fisherman that cover big water. I could see it having an excellent application on some of the smaller lakes in East Texas at the moment.

I will point out that batteries (lithium-ions) have improved some 85% in the last 5 years and I also talk about in my Blog my thoughts on how all of the innovation in the automotive industry will trickle down into the EV recreation market....it's inevitable. Just look at the Ford Lightning....they had to halt orders because demand was overwhelming.

I would also check out electric motorcycles, which are coming on strong and bikes made by Damon are full of incredible technology.

The two primary factors holding back the electrification movement is battery density and overcoming people's fears related to lack of range.

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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: WattoFish] #14289046 02/18/22 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WattoFish

The two primary factors holding back the electrification movement is battery density and overcoming people's fears related to lack of range.



Probably not fear, but concern. The majority of us tow boats and for long distances. Under the stress of summer conditions, can you imagine an electric truck pulling a boat from Dallas to Rayburn? Current sedan EV's barely have the capacity to make that drive in those conditions. It will take a massive change in technology, maybe even a move away from battery to Hydrogen, for a truck to make that.


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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: WattoFish] #14289052 02/18/22 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WattoFish

The two primary factors holding back the electrification movement is battery density and overcoming people's fears related to lack of range.


Lack of range isn't a fear, it's a fact. Kind of hard to recharge on the water.

Re: Mercury Electric [Re: WattoFish] #14289230 02/18/22 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WattoFish
The electric boat is quickly gaining momentum.....check out the Air Nautique GS22e. A $315k tow boat with insane technology and proves it can be done. Pure Watercraft has built a complete system for smaller aluminum bass boats.

The initial Mercury motor released is for small Jon boats and RIBs designed to be highly portable.

By 2025 Mercury will have reduced outboard emissions by 80%, so you will begin seeing petrol engines disappear.

Keep in mind electric motors are 90%+ more efficient that gas motors and only require a handful of moving parts.

The only component holding this back is related to batteries, but at the rate of innovation it won't be long before that is no longer an issue.


If gasoline powered engines become 80% more efficient, then why SHOULD they disappear?


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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: Douglas J] #14289368 02/19/22 01:39 AM
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There is also BRP, supposedly they shut down Evinrude just so they could pursue electric outboard development The project is called "Ghost" if I remember right. I've seen some info on their endeavor and what they are developing will be more like an inboard unit. nothing hanging off the back of the boat.
Also, I work with technology and see some of the greatest advancements as they come down the pipes. Technology has gotten to the point; as far as rate of development, if you can imagine it, it can happen nearly simultaneously and as technology development moves forward the rate it can be advanced is drastically increasing. I figure in 5 years bass boat technology and boating technology in general will resemble nothing that exist at this moment.


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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)] #14289565 02/19/22 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
There is also BRP, supposedly they shut down Evinrude just so they could pursue electric outboard development.


BRP shut down Evinrude because it had less then 5% of market share and was bleeding money

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There is also BRP, supposedly they shut down Evinrude just so they could pursue electric outboard development.


BRP shut down Evinrude because it had less then 5% of market share and was bleeding money
Yep that motivated the other.....


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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)] #14289789 02/19/22 05:38 PM
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There is also BRP, supposedly they shut down Evinrude just so they could pursue electric outboard development.


BRP shut down Evinrude because it had less then 5% of market share and was bleeding money
Yep that motivated the other.....


Nope, Project ghost started about 2 years prior.

Re: Mercury Electric [Re: Douglas J] #14289830 02/19/22 07:19 PM
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Boating will be a tall order but my industry isn't a whole lot easier, commercial trucks. We're full steam [or lackthereof] ahead on battery electric trucks, if you aren't, you'll be behind.


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Re: Mercury Electric [Re: Rayzor] #14290424 02/20/22 04:20 PM
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Rayzor....my statement about reducing outboard emissions by 80% was a direct quote from the President of Mercury Marine.

Gas motors create emissions....that is a fact. Electric motors create zero emissions....also a fact.

You can very easily look up the YouTube video's with him being interviewed stating the plan is to reduce outboard motors emissions by 80%. If you think outboard motors after decades of innovation are all of a sudden going to reduce the emissions by 80% then you are dreaming. He is basically saying electrification is the future of their outboard motors.

The electrification movement is happening....if you want to dismiss it then that's your decision. There are decision makers in industry and regulatory bodies that don't care what you think about electric motors and will continue on the inevitable path.

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Originally Posted by WattoFish
Rayzor....my statement about reducing outboard emissions by 80% was a direct quote from the President of Mercury Marine.

Gas motors create emissions....that is a fact. Electric motors create zero emissions....also a fact.

You can very easily look up the YouTube video's with him being interviewed stating the plan is to reduce outboard motors emissions by 80%. If you think outboard motors after decades of innovation are all of a sudden going to reduce the emissions by 80% then you are dreaming. He is basically saying electrification is the future of their outboard motors.

The electrification movement is happening....if you want to dismiss it then that's your decision. There are decision makers in industry and regulatory bodies that don't care what you think about electric motors and will continue on the inevitable path.


Mining lithium isn’t zero emissions but hey it ain’t in my back yard says all the tree huggers

Re: Mercury Electric [Re: Douglas J] #14290778 02/20/22 11:36 PM
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Might be time to breakout the blueprints for the two hundred mpg gas engines. The ones that never made it to the drawing board.


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I am so excited to see those 200K electric bass boats. 🥱 Could you imagine a runaway lithium battery fire in the middle of the lake?


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