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Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks #14174830 10/29/21 11:20 AM
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�Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?" - The Messiah
Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14175600 10/29/21 11:55 PM
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Oh yeah!

Just keep on killing all those throat and gut hooked undersize fish with the J hooks. Kill 'em ALL and throw the little ones back to die. Let Jesus sort 'em out! We wouldn't want any to get away!

There is a REASON (non offset) circle hooks are required for offshore bottom bait fishing. If you'd take the time and make an effort to learn how to use circle hooks properly, you would find losing fish due to circle hooks is not an issue.

WWJD?

Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: K5RCD] #14175876 10/30/21 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by K5RCD
Oh yeah!

Just keep on killing all those throat and gut hooked undersize fish with the J hooks. Kill 'em ALL and throw the little ones back to die. Let Jesus sort 'em out! We wouldn't want any to get away!

There is a REASON (non offset) circle hooks are required for offshore bottom bait fishing. If you'd take the time and make an effort to learn how to use circle hooks properly, you would find losing fish due to circle hooks is not an issue.

WWJD?


Jesus cares more about putting food on people's tables, since people are more important than animals. The last time I released a deeply hooked fish was 2018 - it was a bull redfish when I was helping out with the tagging study in Louisiana. It swam away vigorously. We usually stop fishing when we have a limit in the box, but we kept fishing to tag and release a few. I can't even recall the last time I released a deeply hooked fish that was undersized. If that happened a lot, I'd consider circle hooks.

The video explains that I do use circle hooks when required by law. I've used them enough, in accordance with the standard best practices, to have seen that losing fish with them IS an issue. J hooks put more fish in the boat.


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14176074 10/30/21 04:28 PM
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THIS should work for you.

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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14176698 10/31/21 03:41 PM
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I guess the sermon is appropriate since I watched this on a Sunday morning. Otherwise I could have done without it and the Little Wharvey Gals serenading me. Using Jesus as a pitchman for J hooks is awesome.


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: K5RCD] #14179058 11/02/21 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by K5RCD
THIS should work for you.

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I work hard to keep it legal.


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14181988 11/05/21 02:21 AM
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I have gut- and throat-hooked many undersize fish with offset circle hooks, less so with non-offset, inline circle hooks. Non-offset "tournament legal" circle hooks are less lethal to unintended bycatch

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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14183315 11/06/21 06:46 PM
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I think I'll leave this one alone........" Even a Fish wouldn't get into trouble If it kept it's Mouth shut".


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14183947 11/07/21 05:26 PM
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God bless those who put food on the family table . . . . whatever hooks they use.

Indeed, this prompts a re-visit of the life and times of infamous televangelist and Louisiana fisherman Jimmy Swaggart . . . .

re-visit that famous moment in video:

https://youtu.be/LxB6-HnXZEU?t=45

Do read the entire story about Swaggart in wikipedia - - it's amazing,
Swaggart is still in control of a massive televangelist ministry after he got de-frocked from the original one he formed, he installed all his family members in various positions throughout his current organization, the Hollywood movie about him: "Jimmy Swaggart: Fire and Brimstone".

Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14184519 11/08/21 12:54 PM
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"Jesus cares more about putting food on people's tables, since people are more important than animals"

always be wary of people telling you what jesus thinks.

Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14185416 11/09/21 01:16 PM
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OP I don't watch your videos but reading the comments sounds like you're trying to say circle hooks kill gut hooked fish worse than j hooks. Hopefully not but if so you are clearly showing your intelligence. Can't tell you how many reds I've opened up and found circle hooks in their stomach already have dissolved. A couple of my buddies who have cleaned thousands more fish than I have say the same thing. Hopefully this is not what your point is.


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14186194 11/10/21 01:52 AM
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Sounds like someone is trying to force a new law on hooks, I have seen both in cleaned harvested fish salt and fresh and don't see any advantage to either style. If they swallow it it will dissolve eventually.
If a fish is hungry it will inhale the hook and bait, if not it will "suck " on it a minute, no matter which hook is used. If the Lord decides you deserve the meal you will have it.


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: FlyFX] #14186832 11/10/21 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyFX
I have seen both in cleaned harvested fish salt and fresh and don't see any advantage to either style.


Each has their applications. Generally when I'm using bait - whether live shad for stripers, big blue runner for amberjack & grouper, chunks for tuna, or fishing up in Alaska with salmon carcasses for halibut - circle hooks are much more effective at reducing the number of gut-hooked fish. I didn't say "eliminate", as there will always be some that swallow the hook. But the vast majority get hooked in the corner of the jaw as intended.

J hooks are far more effective at trolling and other speed uses (cast & retrieve lures). Also very useful for certain bait uses, like shrimp under a popping cork.

Each has its advantages & drawbacks depending on the type of fishing.


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Re: Why I Don't Use Circle Hooks [Re: MathGeek] #14187071 11/11/21 01:17 AM
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I use them but they can cause problems. They generally hook fish in the corner of the mouth where the hinge is. Not a good place for damage. The Texas state record Blue catfish died in captivity( the one from Hagerman) from being hooked in the corner of the mouth by a circle hook.

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