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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Mark Perry]
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09/02/21 03:51 PM
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Allison1
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Don’t mess with momma.. I brush of a ton of bs every day no problem... but the minute you mess with the wife things get extremely ugly very fast. I loved seeing Mr West’s passion to have his wife cleared.. he’s shown time and time again that he’s level headed in the political arena, that’s not what this is. I don’t see a political candidate, I see a man defending his love to the maximum of his abilities. That’s what a man does for his wife... if you wouldn’t do the same for your own wife when you know 100% sure she’s innocent then your either a narcissist or flat married the wrong person. Lie and demonize the police? I'll pass on that and he didn't have to. He chose to. You are all about facts as you so often state. Generalizations and assumptions are what you chide many on here for. Please tell us what he lied about that is factual info. He said she passed the breathalyzer. I believe he said she passed it several times. She said she was told she wasn't doing it right in her statement. The video shows what it shows. He said his grandchild was put in danger because two policemen took care of them until his daughter could pick them up. He said the whole DUI unit was out looking for people to pin DUI on. He did not have to misrepresent the facts or demonize the police. I understand he was upset. I would have been too. But I would not have done what he did. I would apologize if I had done that. Instead he demanded an apology from a list of people that had nothing to do with it.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Chris B]
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09/02/21 03:52 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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so, anyone still voting for him?
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Allison1]
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09/02/21 03:53 PM
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He said she passed the tests. The FSB and breathalyzer. He said the two police that were taking care of his daughter while his daughter was on the way to pick them up put her in danger. I don't know how you would take it but those were all lies. The first two about the tests are contradicted by his wife's facebook statement. She said she was told she wasn't doing the test properly and she said after she Don’t mess with momma.. I brush of a ton of bs every day no problem... but the minute you mess with the wife things get extremely ugly very fast. I loved seeing Mr West’s passion to have his wife cleared.. he’s shown time and time again that he’s level headed in the political arena, that’s not what this is. I don’t see a political candidate, I see a man defending his love to the maximum of his abilities. That’s what a man does for his wife... if you wouldn’t do the same for your own wife when you know 100% sure she’s innocent then your either a narcissist or flat married the wrong person. Lie and demonize the police? I'll pass on that and he didn't have to. He chose to. You are all about facts as you so often state. Generalizations and assumptions are what you chide many on here for. Please tell us what he lied about that is factual info. He said she passed the breathalyzer. I believe he said she passed it several times. She said she was told she wasn't doing it right in her statement. The video shows what it shows. He said his grandchild was put in danger because two policemen took care of them until his daughter could pick them up. He said the whole DUI unit was out looking for people to pin DUI on. He did not have to misrepresent the facts or demonize the police. I understand he was upset. I would have been too. But I would not have done what he did. I would apologize if I had done that. Instead he demanded an apology from a list of people that had nothing to do with it. Those are you opinions. You have no clue the access he had to video and information prior to his video. Your opinion that they are lies is unsubstantiated and simply just your opinions.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Razorback]
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09/02/21 04:04 PM
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My political persuasion is that I want a country operated under what the Constitution says, not what politicians, cops, district attorneys, judges, or anyone else thinks would be a good idea. The current popular approach among the groups I just mentioned seems to be that "public safety" overrides individual freedoms laid out in the Bill of Rights.
That's how you get innocent people arrested for suspicion of DWI after going through a series of tests designed by the people arresting them for the purpose of seeing if they can "follow directions". Of course those directions also included agility tests, not just cognitive ability. It's also how we end up with government telling us that we have to wear masks, can't leave home unless we are engaged in "essential activities", have to close our businesses, can't go to church, and so forth.
It's all for your own good. Trust them. Razorback, you repeatedly dog the officer for not knowing how to do the tests. I just want to let you know issues like an aneurysm can cause false positives. Not sure that she ever relayed that information. Personally I have found the tests to be very accurate. Even while participating in a wet lab and drinking to find out what it takes to get me to .08. Anybody performing these tests have been through weeks of training on them. Are they perfect, of course not. But you probably don’t want to drive on highways without DWI laws in place. What your arguments fail to realize is that people don’t always do the right thing. Without safeguards to keep them in check some will skirt the rules. Sure they do. And when they hurt or kill someone we arrest them if a law was broken. Now I suggest we go door to door, search for firearms, and force anyone who possesses them to pass gun safety, marksmanship, and psychological tests designed to determine whether they are allowed to keep them. Do you have any idea the amount of damage a Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 magnum or Remington Model 11 12 gauge can do to innocent men, women, and children if operated unsafely? What do police do if the person they pull over for suspicion of DWI is handicapped? I know a guy who is in a motorized wheelchair who drives a special van. Does he have to be able to walk a heel to toe line or stand on one foot for 30 seconds? What about really fat people? Do they just go ahead and arrest them without bothering with the agility tests? She probably should have been cited for failure to maintain a lane or changing lanes without a turn signal. Other than that, she followed the pen with her eyes, spoke coherently, stood straight and walked without stumbling, and asked the officer reasonable questions like "how long do you want me to continue walking?" She didn't appear drunk, and she wasn't. She still got cuffed and hauled to jail. Then again, the officer who pulled her over was sent out to find drunk drivers, not illegal lane changers. "Arrest them all and let God the police sort them out" doesn't seem like the way America was set up to operate, but that's just my interpretation of the Constitution. They can hold you on a traffic ticket, I was specifically held on a failure to maintain a lane about 25 years ago. The officer didnt have a breathalyzer, I got out few hours later and was pleased to pay a ticket for turn signal. It was best case scenario for me in my mind.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Chris B]
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09/02/21 04:12 PM
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TR176
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So the cop says she didn’t pass the breathalyzer or did it not give the result the cop wanted? How do we know which is true? Is the breathalyzer blue toothed to a data base? How does anyone stating this to be a she failed know this to be true or is it based on their perception cops never lie.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: TR176]
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09/02/21 04:26 PM
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So the cop says she didn’t pass the breathalyzer or did it not give the result the cop wanted? How do we know which is true? Is the breathalyzer blue toothed to a data base? How does anyone stating this to be a she failed know this to be true or is it based on their perception cops never lie. With a completely clean blood test the answer is obvious.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Mark Perry]
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09/02/21 04:56 PM
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Allison1
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He said she passed the breathalyzer. I believe he said she passed it several times. She said she was told she wasn't doing it right in her statement. The video shows what it shows. He said his grandchild was put in danger because two policemen took care of them until his daughter could pick them up. He said the whole DUI unit was out looking for people to pin DUI on.
He did not have to misrepresent the facts or demonize the police. I understand he was upset. I would have been too. But I would not have done what he did. I would apologize if I had done that. Instead he demanded an apology from a list of people that had nothing to do with it.
Those are you opinions. You have no clue the access he had to video and information prior to his video. Your opinion that they are lies is unsubstantiated and simply just your opinions. Obviously I'm taking it as I see it. You may see it differently. One thing you have not addressed is his saying his GS was endangered by the police. My opinion sure but there was not reason for him to say what he said. This is at 3 in the morning as he is at the police station to pick up his wife. You might believe that he had all that information but in my opinion its highly doubtful. His next video happened 9 hours later. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CS1ifAhAU6E/?utm_medium=copy_linkAs far as my opinion about the other stuff the DPD chief backed up his officer. I factor that in as well. I back the blue. A West only said it. To me his rants amounted to demonizing them in my opinion.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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09/02/21 05:34 PM
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HasBen
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so, anyone still voting for him? Maybe, but a lot will ride on the months leading up to the election. Before his meltdown, I was really not questioning him. Now, he has to show me something to get my vote.
“ When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.”. Steve McQueen
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Chris B]
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09/02/21 05:34 PM
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Just wanted to clarify that the video shows that traffic in her lane came to a complete stop with an semi-truck in front. It hard for me to tell when the police officer initiates the lights and sirens; however, Mrs. West is then faced with a situation of do you pull forward and to the side of the road or stay in the lane where you were stopped. I don't think its that surprising that a person would remain in the location where the officer initiated contact until being told how the officer wants them to proceed. video
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: TR176]
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09/02/21 05:39 PM
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So the cop says she didn’t pass the breathalyzer or did it not give the result the cop wanted? How do we know which is true? Is the breathalyzer blue toothed to a data base? How does anyone stating this to be a she failed know this to be true or is it based on their perception cops never lie. The officer got .000's and assumed the lady was impaired.....people try to spoof the intoxilizer lots of ways, typically by not blowing like they are instructed. In this case, the officer was looking for a result, did not get it, and went on her assumption that it was something else. Highly experienced and trained officers in nystagmus can see pupil and eye reactions that "can" indicate drug use as well as alcoholic beverage consumption.....I am sure she was highly trained. She guessed wrong and this is the result. I do not defend his entitled rant, I said that before and thought the arrest was bad throughout the commentary..... FYI, my guys were taught to ask if the person had a head injury or any medical conditions PRIOR to SFST's
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Chris B]
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09/02/21 05:46 PM
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Streater
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I thought she was drunk. Her driving was dangerous. Having said that, I am glad that her innocence was proven. I'll take my crow with a jalapeno, cream cheese and wrapped in bacon.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Chris B]
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09/02/21 06:05 PM
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Allison1
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A calmer Allen West answers questions about his wife's arrest.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Razorback]
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09/02/21 06:08 PM
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My political persuasion is that I want a country operated under what the Constitution says, not what politicians, cops, district attorneys, judges, or anyone else thinks would be a good idea. The current popular approach among the groups I just mentioned seems to be that "public safety" overrides individual freedoms laid out in the Bill of Rights.
That's how you get innocent people arrested for suspicion of DWI after going through a series of tests designed by the people arresting them for the purpose of seeing if they can "follow directions". Of course those directions also included agility tests, not just cognitive ability. It's also how we end up with government telling us that we have to wear masks, can't leave home unless we are engaged in "essential activities", have to close our businesses, can't go to church, and so forth.
It's all for your own good. Trust them. Razorback, you repeatedly dog the officer for not knowing how to do the tests. I just want to let you know issues like an aneurysm can cause false positives. Not sure that she ever relayed that information. Personally I have found the tests to be very accurate. Even while participating in a wet lab and drinking to find out what it takes to get me to .08. Anybody performing these tests have been through weeks of training on them. Are they perfect, of course not. But you probably don’t want to drive on highways without DWI laws in place. What your arguments fail to realize is that people don’t always do the right thing. Without safeguards to keep them in check some will skirt the rules. Sure they do. And when they hurt or kill someone we arrest them if a law was broken. Now I suggest we go door to door, search for firearms, and force anyone who possesses them to pass gun safety, marksmanship, and psychological tests designed to determine whether they are allowed to keep them. Do you have any idea the amount of damage a Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 magnum or Remington Model 11 12 gauge can do to innocent men, women, and children if operated unsafely? What do police do if the person they pull over for suspicion of DWI is handicapped? I know a guy who is in a motorized wheelchair who drives a special van. Does he have to be able to walk a heel to toe line or stand on one foot for 30 seconds? What about really fat people? Do they just go ahead and arrest them without bothering with the agility tests? She probably should have been cited for failure to maintain a lane or changing lanes without a turn signal. Other than that, she followed the pen with her eyes, spoke coherently, stood straight and walked without stumbling, and asked the officer reasonable questions like "how long do you want me to continue walking?" She didn't appear drunk, and she wasn't. She still got cuffed and hauled to jail. Then again, the officer who pulled her over was sent out to find drunk drivers, not illegal lane changers. "Arrest them all and let God the police sort them out" doesn't seem like the way America was set up to operate, but that's just my interpretation of the Constitution. Razorback, the test isn’t following a pen with your eyes and you pass. It’s called Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus. If you can tell what the office saw on that grainy video you are a hell of a lot better at it than anyone I know.
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Re: West's wife clearded
[Re: Chris B]
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09/02/21 06:13 PM
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You losers still arguing about this. 
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