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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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08/04/21 11:54 PM
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Tsunami_1
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...........Viruses mutate when they replicate. The replicate the easiest in the unvaccinated. Ah, yes. Our resident armchair expert. Once again you're wrong and speaking on a topic you know nothing about. Since you don't have a Medline account, search Google and see what you find. BTW..... Thanks for the lesson on viral replication errors. Thanks for the insults. That seems to be your primary mode of operation on here, at least when it comes to me. It would be nice if you could use your medical knowledge to educate instead of dumping on people. If you want to engage in a civil discussion, let's do it. If you want to bash me I'll kindly check out of this conversation. So, assuming you are still here, educate us good sir. How do viruses mutate? Are you suggesting they mutate without replication? Are you suggesting viruses replicate easier in vaccinated people vs. unvaccinated people? Obviously we know vaccines can put evolutionary pressure on viruses, but it would be quite the claim if you are saying the net impact of vaccines is a drag on public health. Why would any vaccines exist then? As a reminder all the variants that exist today (6 or 7 of them I believe) all arose before vaccines were distributed publicly. He’s a dentist. Not long ago, that was a barbershop visit. Disrespectful, but very funny!
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: Scoundrel]
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08/04/21 11:56 PM
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Emit R Detsaw
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Are COVID deaths increasing for the vaccinated? I haven’t seen any sites distinguishing the low number of current deaths. Would be nice to know, + the other critical data on age, pre-existing conditions, etc. I don’t think they want anyone to have the data, they only want to cherry pick when they can to cause panic. Probably varies a lot by location. I live in a county that is about 50% vaccinated. With the Delta variant they are seeing the largest daily positive test rates, highest hospitalizations, and the highest deat rates. So far here both vaccinated and unvaccinated are having increase numbers in infections, but it's mostly the unvaccinated in the hospital, and all of the deaths have been unvaccinated. The past couple weeks we went from having few if any deaths to 1 a day to having 3 just this past day. Not sure if it's that the people waited too late to seek treatment, but the 3 that died yesterday only found out they had covid in the past 2 to 3 days and they deteriorated rapidly. The youngest death in our county was among those that died yesterday. She was 43. County now has 1032 (about 1% of our population) people in isolation or quarantine. Most of the cases here right now are the Delta variant. It is more transmittable and people that are vaccinated are carrying more of a viral load of the virus in their upper respiratory system, but only rarely do vaccinated folks get severe cases or worse. I hear the lambda variant may be more dangerous to vaccinated folks, but not sure where that variant is showing up yet.
May you be treated the way you treat other people, today and everyday!
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: Scoundrel]
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08/04/21 11:57 PM
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WAWI
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Are COVID deaths increasing for the vaccinated? I haven’t seen any sites distinguishing the low number of current deaths. Would be nice to know, + the other critical data on age, pre-existing conditions, etc. I don’t think they want anyone to have the data, they only want to cherry pick when they can to cause panic. And the devil is in details on the deaths for all we know they are 97 and weigh 500 pounds with 12 kinds of cancer
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: Jpurdue]
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08/05/21 12:00 AM
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: WAWI]
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08/05/21 12:05 AM
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Scoundrel
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Are COVID deaths increasing for the vaccinated? I haven’t seen any sites distinguishing the low number of current deaths. Would be nice to know, + the other critical data on age, pre-existing conditions, etc. I don’t think they want anyone to have the data, they only want to cherry pick when they can to cause panic. And the devil is in details on the deaths for all we know they are 97 and weigh 500 pounds with 12 kinds of cancer Yep, it would not be that hard to go through the details if we had them. You can bet your bippie they would be broadcasting 24-7 if the majority of the dying were young or heathy.
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 12:41 AM
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Jpurdue
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I found this to be a very informative article. It explains very clearly how viruses mutate, how we've gotten to where we are and were we could end up. Many of the worlds best virologists are cited in the article. Ignore the "doomsday title." News weeks has been rated as a very "center of the political map" publication. https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13...coming-scientists-say-1615874.html?amp=1
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: Mark Perry]
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08/05/21 01:26 AM
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Duck_Hunter
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I am telling y'all this guy is evil and will not stop until he has complete control via a lockdown, mandatory masking and mandatory vaccines. He is toying with everyone. Every couple of days he keeps upping the fear/panic level just a little more. He just keeps moving the goalposts when he wants and no one holds him accountable. https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-says-fears-covid-variant-191712505.htmlI’ve also read that the more it mutates, the less of a threat it is to everyone, but especially the vaccinated, because the vaccines protect against the spike protein, which is why it’s such a problem for our immune systems.
Last edited by Duck_Hunter; 08/05/21 01:28 AM.
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 01:27 AM
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CKINCAID
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So are these places with this new variable thing having lines and lines 1/2mile long 3deep lines waiting for the nose stick? I seen it here with the OG19 but not yet with the variable.
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: CKINCAID]
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08/05/21 01:30 AM
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Emit R Detsaw
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So are these places with this new variable thing having lines and lines 1/2mile long 3deep lines waiting for the nose stick? I seen it here with the OG19 but not yet with the variable. I think those days are behind everyone/everywhere since the tests are now in more locations, and they are only testing exposed people and ones with symptoms for the most part. There was more of a push last year for mass testing to get a handle on the virus.
May you be treated the way you treat other people, today and everyday!
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 01:36 AM
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grout-scout
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Just checking in while I’m still alive. Has anyone seen the real TOTAL death numbers (like every death in America no matter the circumstance) last year and the previous 5 years of deaths?
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 01:49 AM
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: Mark Perry]
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08/05/21 02:37 AM
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Bob Davis
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I am telling y'all this guy is evil and will not stop until he has complete control via a lockdown, mandatory masking and mandatory vaccines. He is toying with everyone. Every couple of days he keeps upping the fear/panic level just a little more. He just keeps moving the goalposts when he wants and no one holds him accountable. https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-says-fears-covid-variant-191712505.htmlYes, you are correct Mark. Fauci and his boss the demented one need this for control. They are a despicable lot.
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 02:51 AM
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grout-scout
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So, just found out that my niece was required to get the shot for her law school. She got the J&J three days ago and has been really sick. They thought they were going to have to take her to the hospital last night.
I think I’ll wait a bit to take the vaccine.
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 02:54 AM
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Moto-Moto
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I have friends in Oil and Gas that are being forced to take it. If they refuse, and get sick, they have to use PTO or go without pay. This is coming from a major Midstream company.
I was asked for my vax card last week to do an outside job walk at a plant in Midland.
Last edited by Moto-Moto; 08/05/21 02:56 AM.
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Re: New COVID cases escalate among vaccinated
[Re: reeltexan]
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08/05/21 02:55 AM
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The Searchers
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