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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Hogfan1]
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06/05/21 03:53 PM
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Allison1
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Add in. There are 3200 pages of emails. He was getting 1000 a day. It appears very few were used to make the case that he lied.
I doubt very many people could stand up to that amount of scrutiny without some issues coming up.
Do you read what you type before you hit the post button? You’re saying that it’s ok since he only lied in some of the emails and not all of them? By your logic, if I beat you, I’m still a good person if I don’t do it every day. To be honest, no matter if I read the post before I hit the Post Reply tab or not, sometimes I have to go back and edit my post to correct what I wrote. I usually do that within a minute or two of posting it. For this post to be specific, my thoughts are easy to comprehend and I don't think I mentioned or meant that any of his emails were lies. People found issues in his emails, not because he lied in his emails but because of things he said in public then or later. He may have lied in some of his emails. I did not read them. The issues that have come out were not about lies he made in the emails. One email or ten thousand, I could determine a person good or bad depending on what was in any of the emails. But tens of thousands of emails and what we have seen from them is what I was pointing out. So, you’re saying that you consider him trustworthy? I knew he was a scam artist as soon as the plandemic started and they were screaming for lockdowns. Just a few years earlier, he is on video during the SARS outbreak saying that we just can’t shut down the country because of a virus. They had an agenda and this was their last ditch effort after previous efforts had failed. Lots of people suffered irreparable hardship bc of these clowns and they should be held accountable. I won't continue because you keep thinking things that I did not post. I did not say he was trustworthy. I said I could evaluate a person on one or a thousand emails depending on the emails. But since you ask, yes I think he's trust worthy. So did 7 presidents and the scientific community. I don't let public opinion form mine so I look at the evidence. That may be why I am on the other side so many times. Who knows. As far as SARS, we only had a few cases in the US and no deaths. Worldwide, 8000 cases and almost all the cases were in China. I can see how he would say what your video showed when SARS was the current topic and that Covid would get a different take from him. You call that lying and I'll call that being honest and leading responsibly. You act as if he caused unnecessary death and pain while I think he prevented it. To each his own.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
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06/05/21 04:00 PM
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Dr. Fauci, as with most honest physicians tries not to speak in absolutes. He regularly uses phrases like “somewhat effective”, “minimal risk”, “the majority of the data reveals….”
In private emails with colleagues, people communicate more bluntly, more instinctively, and less factually.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Caymas Cx 21]
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06/05/21 04:19 PM
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On a scale of 0-10; he is in about level 2 trouble. Possibly, but on scale of 0-10 on the Full of Chit scale it definite 10 ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2021/06/full-35175-98903-0a8a7edc_8725_433b_9d26_738e7c5d3374.jpeg)
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
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06/05/21 04:43 PM
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Dr. Fauci, as with most honest physicians tries not to speak in absolutes. He regularly uses phrases like “somewhat effective”, “minimal risk”, “the majority of the data reveals….”
In private emails with colleagues, people communicate more bluntly, more instinctively, and less factually.
There is a big difference between masks arent needed and wearing two masks is just plain common sense. Those are of course paraphrased but that is the idea behind where he has been.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Droyhef]
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06/05/21 04:48 PM
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Dr. Fauci, as with most honest physicians tries not to speak in absolutes. He regularly uses phrases like “somewhat effective”, “minimal risk”, “the majority of the data reveals….”
In private emails with colleagues, people communicate more bluntly, more instinctively, and less factually.
There is a big difference between masks arent needed and wearing two masks is just plain common sense. Those are of course paraphrased but that is the idea behind where he has been. All the while knowing they didn't stop the spread.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
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06/05/21 04:54 PM
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Dr. Fauci, as with most honest physicians tries not to speak in absolutes. He regularly uses phrases like “somewhat effective”, “minimal risk”, “the majority of the data reveals….”
In private emails with colleagues, people communicate more bluntly, more instinctively, and less factually.
There is a big difference between masks arent needed and wearing two masks is just plain common sense. Those are of course paraphrased but that is the idea behind where he has been. All the while knowing they didn't stop the spread. To Droyhef the difference was one, early on when there were almost no deaths in the US and a shortage of PPE for the health professionals to use. The other once it grew dramatically. If you care to blame him for changing, its on you. I believe studies done can show it didn't or did work, depending on what you look for. To Bigbob my last sentence above.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: WAWI]
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06/05/21 06:11 PM
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So to you he is not lying but...
It was ok for Fauci to lie to the public at first because the need justified it. Yet his own private communications indicate he knew the masks would not work so we are at a point where he doesnt make sence. There is an inconsistencie with his public claim that he lied on purpose to save ppe and his private conversation indicating that he knew masks wouldnt be of much use. So, when he told the public there was not much need for mask wearing to begin with he agreed his private conversations but when he said masks were needed he disagreed with himself. This is inconsistent messaging. So we are to believe he lied on purpose but it was ok, then he told someone masks werent needed privately which wasnt a lie, then he said wear lots of mask even with a shot and thats ok too? So was he lying to the person in the email when he said they didnt need a mask? Is that it was, he was lying publicly and privately, but he was telling the truth when he said it was common since to wear two or three masks? You said you trust him, which is it? Explain to me which I should believe. It seems right now you have boiled it down to orange man bad and thou shalt not question the science.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Droyhef]
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06/05/21 06:46 PM
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So to you he is not lying but...
It was ok for Fauci to lie to the public at first because the need justified it. Yet his own private communications indicate he knew the masks would not work so we are at a point where he doesnt make sence. There is an inconsistencie with his public claim that he lied on purpose to save ppe and his private conversation indicating that he knew masks wouldnt be of much use. So, when he told the public there was not much need for mask wearing to begin with he agreed his private conversations but when he said masks were needed he disagreed with himself. This is inconsistent messaging. So we are to believe he lied on purpose but it was ok, then he told someone masks werent needed privately which wasnt a lie, then he said wear lots of mask even with a shot and thats ok too? So was he lying to the person in the email when he said they didnt need a mask? Is that it was, he was lying publicly and privately, but he was telling the truth when he said it was common since to wear two or three masks? You said you trust him, which is it? Explain to me which I should believe. It seems right now you have boiled it down to orange man bad and thou shalt not question the science. For your wellbeing you don't need to believe any of it. The mask requirements are almost over. I did not know that he said publicly that he lied about face masks. I wondered why he changed his opinion and always linked it to the amount of Covid. If you can find that the timeline does not fit, I can agree with you. Did he go back and forth or just change and when was that? In the last 12 months has he said that masks are not effective? Like you pointed out, in the email in question way back in Feb of last year, he didn't totally say they did nothing. He said they might have some small effect to keep the wearer from spreading the virus. He also noted that the place that person, I believe a woman, was traveling to had a very low risk area. Also if it was in early February, I can't remember the date exactly, there were very few deaths in the country and almost all the cases were in NY or he north east. It was sometime later when the first large numbers started showing up. First of March there were less than 10 deaths in the US. By March 20th we gotten to 250 deaths. If you are saying he went back and forth at his convenience I agree with you. If not I don't.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: WAWI]
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06/05/21 06:47 PM
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The snake headed sob is one of the biggest frauds in the country, right up there with all the dumb dumb con artist democrats in office right now. End of discussion for me.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: WAWI]
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06/05/21 06:55 PM
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Allison1
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Fooled 7 presidents and the bulk of medical scientists and doctors around the world. Thats believable.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Allison1]
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06/05/21 07:27 PM
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Fooled 7 presidents and the bulk of medical scientists and doctors around the world. Thats believable.
Not a damn one of them had to deal with what Trump got railroaded with, he also fooled many sheep just like yourself .
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Allison1]
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06/05/21 07:42 PM
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So to you he is not lying but...
It was ok for Fauci to lie to the public at first because the need justified it. Yet his own private communications indicate he knew the masks would not work so we are at a point where he doesnt make sence. There is an inconsistencie with his public claim that he lied on purpose to save ppe and his private conversation indicating that he knew masks wouldnt be of much use. So, when he told the public there was not much need for mask wearing to begin with he agreed his private conversations but when he said masks were needed he disagreed with himself. This is inconsistent messaging. So we are to believe he lied on purpose but it was ok, then he told someone masks werent needed privately which wasnt a lie, then he said wear lots of mask even with a shot and thats ok too? So was he lying to the person in the email when he said they didnt need a mask? Is that it was, he was lying publicly and privately, but he was telling the truth when he said it was common since to wear two or three masks? You said you trust him, which is it? Explain to me which I should believe. It seems right now you have boiled it down to orange man bad and thou shalt not question the science. For your wellbeing you don't need to believe any of it. The mask requirements are almost over. I did not know that he said publicly that he lied about face masks. I wondered why he changed his opinion and always linked it to the amount of Covid. If you can find that the timeline does not fit, I can agree with you. Did he go back and forth or just change and when was that? In the last 12 months has he said that masks are not effective? Like you pointed out, in the email in question way back in Feb of last year, he didn't totally say they did nothing. He said they might have some small effect to keep the wearer from spreading the virus. He also noted that the place that person, I believe a woman, was traveling to had a very low risk area. Also if it was in early February, I can't remember the date exactly, there were very few deaths in the country and almost all the cases were in NY or he north east. It was sometime later when the first large numbers started showing up. First of March there were less than 10 deaths in the US. By March 20th we gotten to 250 deaths. If you are saying he went back and forth at his convenience I agree with you. If not I don't. He has admitted to saying masks werent needed to influence people not to use them, with the intent to save masks for medical people because they needed them. Most would describe that as a lie. He has also said in his private communication that due to the particle size prevention of infection was unlikely. Any discussion of that last point for the large part has been deemed "harmful information" and Fauci's public statements about mask use were used to justify much of that. At one point Fauci also recommended face shields and goggles but he didnt stick with that for long. Yes I am saying he went back and forth, and all over the place.
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Allison1]
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06/06/21 12:22 AM
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So to you he is not lying but...
It was ok for Fauci to lie to the public at first because the need justified it. Yet his own private communications indicate he knew the masks would not work so we are at a point where he doesnt make sence. There is an inconsistencie with his public claim that he lied on purpose to save ppe and his private conversation indicating that he knew masks wouldnt be of much use. So, when he told the public there was not much need for mask wearing to begin with he agreed his private conversations but when he said masks were needed he disagreed with himself. This is inconsistent messaging. So we are to believe he lied on purpose but it was ok, then he told someone masks werent needed privately which wasnt a lie, then he said wear lots of mask even with a shot and thats ok too? So was he lying to the person in the email when he said they didnt need a mask? Is that it was, he was lying publicly and privately, but he was telling the truth when he said it was common since to wear two or three masks? You said you trust him, which is it? Explain to me which I should believe. It seems right now you have boiled it down to orange man bad and thou shalt not question the science. For your wellbeing you don't need to believe any of it. The mask requirements are almost over. I did not know that he said publicly that he lied about face masks. I wondered why he changed his opinion and always linked it to the amount of Covid. If you can find that the timeline does not fit, I can agree with you. Did he go back and forth or just change and when was that? In the last 12 months has he said that masks are not effective? Like you pointed out, in the email in question way back in Feb of last year, he didn't totally say they did nothing. He said they might have some small effect to keep the wearer from spreading the virus. He also noted that the place that person, I believe a woman, was traveling to had a very low risk area. Also if it was in early February, I can't remember the date exactly, there were very few deaths in the country and almost all the cases were in NY or he north east. It was sometime later when the first large numbers started showing up. First of March there were less than 10 deaths in the US. By March 20th we gotten to 250 deaths. If you are saying he went back and forth at his convenience I agree with you. If not I don't. You are a WPOS. Keep spewing your [censored]. You are whats wrong with this country. Enjoy youre journey
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
[Re: Allison1]
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06/06/21 12:29 AM
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So to you he is not lying but...
It was ok for Fauci to lie to the public at first because the need justified it. Yet his own private communications indicate he knew the masks would not work so we are at a point where he doesnt make sence. There is an inconsistencie with his public claim that he lied on purpose to save ppe and his private conversation indicating that he knew masks wouldnt be of much use. So, when he told the public there was not much need for mask wearing to begin with he agreed his private conversations but when he said masks were needed he disagreed with himself. This is inconsistent messaging. So we are to believe he lied on purpose but it was ok, then he told someone masks werent needed privately which wasnt a lie, then he said wear lots of mask even with a shot and thats ok too? So was he lying to the person in the email when he said they didnt need a mask? Is that it was, he was lying publicly and privately, but he was telling the truth when he said it was common since to wear two or three masks? You said you trust him, which is it? Explain to me which I should believe. It seems right now you have boiled it down to orange man bad and thou shalt not question the science. For your wellbeing you don't need to believe any of it. The mask requirements are almost over. I did not know that he said publicly that he lied about face masks. I wondered why he changed his opinion and always linked it to the amount of Covid. If you can find that the timeline does not fit, I can agree with you. Did he go back and forth or just change and when was that? In the last 12 months has he said that masks are not effective? Like you pointed out, in the email in question way back in Feb of last year, he didn't totally say they did nothing. He said they might have some small effect to keep the wearer from spreading the virus. He also noted that the place that person, I believe a woman, was traveling to had a very low risk area. Also if it was in early February, I can't remember the date exactly, there were very few deaths in the country and almost all the cases were in NY or he north east. It was sometime later when the first large numbers started showing up. First of March there were less than 10 deaths in the US. By March 20th we gotten to 250 deaths. If you are saying he went back and forth at his convenience I agree with you. If not I don't. It's like you want to have his baby
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Re: Fauci appears to be in trouble
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06/06/21 12:53 AM
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