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Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: COFF] #13891181 02/17/21 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by COFF
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Not sure of you're source but it's 20% on wind and solar, that's a lot to lose when we needed it.


In aggregate for the US, it is around 10%. According to ERCOT, it is about 16% 20% in Texas. If Texas had zero wind turbines, it would have no effect on the outages this week whatsoever.

EDIT: I was looking at a wikipedia chart attributed to ERCOT. No telling if it was accurate, or how old the data was. I'll accept the 20% number, but still ascertain that has little effect on how these power outages played out.

Well 20% of power is a huge number, 2 out of every 10 houses w/o power is a big deal that cannot be discounted.

Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: COFF] #13891208 02/17/21 08:15 PM
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We didnt even have to build new plants, we could have just kept the ones we already had. I think what most people are blaming on the wind turbines is the fact that we built them to take the place of the coal plants and now that bit us in the butt. Had those plants been able or already online we would have been fine. Then the money issue, which is probably the root cause. Wind=subsidies

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Originally Posted by the skipper
We didnt even have to build new plants, we could have just kept the ones we already had. I think what most people are blaming on the wind turbines is the fact that we built them to take the place of the coal plants and now that bit us in the butt. Had those plants been able or already online we would have been fine. Then the money issue, which is probably the root cause. Wind=subsidies

This is true. My brother works at the coal plant east of Groesbeck and the Feds gave them permission to come online Monday Feb.15. You don't just flip a switch and get the big girls burning and producing, especially in cold weather. If the plant had been running, it would have been a different story.


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Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: COFF] #13891216 02/17/21 08:22 PM
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Ercot stated yesterday that solar and wind accounted for about 13% of the reduced capacity seen this week. The other 87% was due to issues with natural gas and coal infrastructure.

This sounds about right when you factor in that only about 1/2 the windmills in Texas were shut down.

Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: Spiderman] #13891220 02/17/21 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiderman
Short answer is they could built excess power generation plants to use in emergency situations like we have today.

Add it to your electric Bill each month for the next 20-30 years and listen to Us complain about the cost. If Texas did not have a closed grid system to avoid complying with Federal regulations we would have been past this day one.

Do you know why we don’t take any Bass home when we fish Welsh? Why is it such a great winter time fishery?

Because they contain Mercury from the coal used to fire the Welsh Plant, it’s a by product that goes out of the smoke stack with the steam.



I wouldn't eat any fish from Monticello, but they say if there are otters, the water quality is good and there are plenty of otters in Monticello.


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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Ercot stated yesterday that solar and wind accounted for about 13% of the reduced capacity seen this week. The other 87% was due to issues with natural gas and coal infrastructure.

This sounds about right when you factor in that only about 1/2 the windmills in Texas were shut down.

Yea, its probably right. But what it doesnt say is we let plants go offline or they decided it was to expensive to get them going instead of relying on the wind. There were some problems for sure from the cold but most of this could have been avoided with proper management

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Definitely! Abbot needs to drive a meaningful investigation or he needs to find a different job.

Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: Spiderman] #13891318 02/17/21 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiderman
Short answer is they could built excess power generation plants to use in emergency situations like we have today.

Add it to your electric Bill each month for the next 20-30 years and listen to Us complain about the cost. If Texas did not have a closed grid system to avoid complying with Federal regulations we would have been past this day one.

Do you know why we don’t take any Bass home when we fish Welsh? Why is it such a great winter time fishery?

Because they contain Mercury from the coal used to fire the Welsh Plant, it’s a by product that goes out of the smoke stack with the steam.



If you wanted to have backup generation plants they would have to be coal fired. Otherwise they would also be affected by the natural gas supply shortage and wouldn't serve their purpose. Of course my assumption is that coal plants are less affected by the severe cold.


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Pinto beans = wind power in all weather situations.


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Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: COFF] #13891344 02/17/21 09:20 PM
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I was thinking about making a pot of Chili!


Same purpose!


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Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: COFF] #13891368 02/17/21 09:35 PM
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No matter what side your on wind and solar energy is not efficient or effective. Too bad our government keeps giving these carbon credits out for something that cannot sustain our future.

Re: Grid problems - what it is and what it isn't [Re: COFF] #13891381 02/17/21 09:41 PM
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Yea just wait till most energy is wind or solar in the future we will see how those dems feel up north with all them rolling blackouts and complete blackouts happen during the winter.
Dems-"what were we thinking"
Conservatives-" you weren't thinking, so tell us how you liking that green new deal now" lol

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Originally Posted by Bass-N-Buck Master
Yea just wait till most energy is wind or solar in the future we will see how those dems feel up north with all them rolling blackouts and complete blackouts happen during the winter.
Dems-"what were we thinking"
Conservatives-" you weren't thinking, so tell us how you liking that green new deal now" lol


No way you will ever get a democrat to admit any fault in their thinking. They will find something else to blame it on.


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Originally Posted by COFF
Originally Posted by Bass-N-Buck Master
Yea just wait till most energy is wind or solar in the future we will see how those dems feel up north with all them rolling blackouts and complete blackouts happen during the winter.
Dems-"what were we thinking"
Conservatives-" you weren't thinking, so tell us how you liking that green new deal now" lol


No way you will ever get a democrat to admit any fault in their thinking. They will find something else to blame it on.

Yes sir

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