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 Re: Green Energy
[Re: a777pilot]
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02/16/21 05:49 PM
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Neither are green. There are only three sources of green energy that I am aware: geothermal, hydro, and nuclear.
What is needed is massive use of thorium fueled nuclear power. Solar and wind don't count as "green"? What is the definition of green then? Genuine question. Solar and windmills use more carbon based fuels than they save. To me, and to anyone with a modicum of scientific education will understand that a "Green" source of energy is one that produces more clean energy than it uses to produce that energy. There are only, to my knowledge, three sources of non-carbon using energy available in sufficient quantities to be economical. Those are: Geothermal, Hydro-electric, and the best, Nuclear. Thorium fueled, molten salt nuclear reactors is the way to go. I hope that helps to answer your question. Fair enough. Just wanted to understand where you were coming from with that statement. Unfortunately the word "green" has been tainted, and now anything in opposition to fossil fuels and nuclear energy is deemed as "green." Of course this is done by the same people who think triple boiling food to produce alcohol that burns clean is saving the earth. Of course they don't realize that they are burning natural gas to boil the corn three times, and that the ethanol is so inefficient in a combustion engine that twice as much is burned thus negating any gains. Not to mention the two gallons of diesel fuel used by the tractors and far equipment to grow the corn.
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Re: Green Energy
[Re: ReelBusy]
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02/16/21 06:45 PM
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donothin
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Peak use in Texas is normally during the hot summer so generation plants frequently shut down at this time of the year for improvements and repairs, so we undoubtedly had less generation power than we would have during the summer. If you are wanting enough power to cover any eventuality, then be prepared to pay a big cost for it. That extra increment of capacity will be extremely costly to only be use once every 25-50 years. We have sure gotten soft. What is wrong with an extra layer of clothing to deal with the cold. Green energy is a supplement to the other forms of energy we have. I'm not sure that natural gas was all that reliable during this cold spell. Delivery systems for natural gas, oil and electricity are also limited times like this. Again, extra capacity is possible but way more expensive when it is only used occasionally.
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Re: Green Energy
[Re: elcoyote, esq.]
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02/16/21 06:57 PM
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Not2Old2Fish
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The USSR tried that years ago. They got down to ~12,000 meters and kept melting drill bits so they gave up on it. Drill just deep enough to make steam.
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Re: Green Energy
[Re: donothin]
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02/16/21 07:34 PM
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the skipper
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Peak use in Texas is normally during the hot summer so generation plants frequently shut down at this time of the year for improvements and repairs, so we undoubtedly had less generation power than we would have during the summer. If you are wanting enough power to cover any eventuality, then be prepared to pay a big cost for it. That extra increment of capacity will be extremely costly to only be use once every 25-50 years. We have sure gotten soft. What is wrong with an extra layer of clothing to deal with the cold. Green energy is a supplement to the other forms of energy we have. I'm not sure that natural gas was all that reliable during this cold spell. Delivery systems for natural gas, oil and electricity are also limited times like this. Again, extra capacity is possible but way more expensive when it is only used occasionally. I get your point. The problem is this isnt rolling blackouts when people dont have power for 5, 10, 20hrs. You need to shut me down for a few hours that's ok but this isnt really anything they said. They are just freezing people out now. Just doesnt seem to pass the sniff test to me.
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Re: Green Energy
[Re: ReelBusy]
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02/16/21 09:14 PM
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Not2Old2Fish
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At the same time we have millions without power
Oklahoma has a little over 1000.
Oklahoma has colder weather with more snow.
What's our power companies excuse?
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