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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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01/11/21 05:23 PM
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Jpurdue
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The first amendment very clearly says. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." The key term there is Congress. It does not say, "Businesses shall make no rules."
Amazon has terms of service just like very other company out there. When parlor clicked, "We accept the terms of service," they agreed to play by the rules. Amazon has deemed they haven't played by the rules. That's perfectly legal.
You guys like to selectively apply the constitution when it suits your purposes and pretend it says something different when it doesn't.
Amazon has every right to deny them service so long as they are not doing so for protected reasons. (Race. Color. Religion or creed. National origin or ancestry. Sex. Age. Physical or mental disability. Veteran status.)
Parlor may have some service disruption, but they are not going anywhere. There's a million porn sites that can find service providers, Parlor will find one as well. So it was OK to organize riots on social media 6-8 months ago. You are entirely missing the point. These service agreement rules they are citing have been broken many times in the past without repercussions. This is selective enforcement to silence people. Do we know how many warnings have been issued to others organizing violence? Do we know how many of them were taken down? I've got a pile of buddies who have been put in FB jail for various things. Millions of accounts are deleted or banned a month. Do we know how many warnings were issued to Paler? We don't. Maybe there weren't any. That would be fine as well. It may not be cool JP, but it's perfectly legal. It's literally legal in most states for me to fire a guy for wearing a bears hat and not a guy wearing a packers hat. It's called at will employment. It should stay that way as well. Government should stay out of business as much as possible. Most conservatives agree with that.
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Jim Ford]
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01/11/21 05:26 PM
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Actually, Twitter, Google, and Apple accept more than enough government money to satisfy a “arm of a the government” precedent, which already exists. I don’t know if the people would prevail in court, but the precedent certainly exists. I find some accounts of “the threat of more violence” to be absurdly overstated, too. I recently watched a compilation of MSM commentaries on the violence from last year, where the talking heads were waxing eloquently about how all of the “DEFUND” and BLM looting, burning, and killing was benefitting our nation. It’s a long-standing double standard, and far too many sheep in this country allow the he MSM to tell them what to think, without question. When this love affair with the left ends, a lot of the damage they’ve done won’t be reversed. By that logic every company and every individual accepts money from the government. Ever taken a deduction? Ever gotten a stimulus check? Does that mean you are an arm of the government?
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Jpurdue]
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01/11/21 05:30 PM
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Actually, Twitter, Google, and Apple accept more than enough government money to satisfy a “arm of a the government” precedent, which already exists. I don’t know if the people would prevail in court, but the precedent certainly exists. I find some accounts of “the threat of more violence” to be absurdly overstated, too. I recently watched a compilation of MSM commentaries on the violence from last year, where the talking heads were waxing eloquently about how all of the “DEFUND” and BLM looting, burning, and killing was benefitting our nation. It’s a long-standing double standard, and far too many sheep in this country allow the he MSM to tell them what to think, without question. When this love affair with the left ends, a lot of the damage they’ve done won’t be reversed. By that logic every company and every individual accepts money from the government. Ever taken a deduction? Ever gotten a stimulus check? Does that mean you are an arm of the government? Yes, we are all extensions of the government via a vote, even illegal immigrant's.
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Huckleberry]
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01/11/21 05:36 PM
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Jpurdue
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Actually, Twitter, Google, and Apple accept more than enough government money to satisfy a “arm of a the government” precedent, which already exists. I don’t know if the people would prevail in court, but the precedent certainly exists. I find some accounts of “the threat of more violence” to be absurdly overstated, too. I recently watched a compilation of MSM commentaries on the violence from last year, where the talking heads were waxing eloquently about how all of the “DEFUND” and BLM looting, burning, and killing was benefitting our nation. It’s a long-standing double standard, and far too many sheep in this country allow the he MSM to tell them what to think, without question. When this love affair with the left ends, a lot of the damage they’ve done won’t be reversed. By that logic every company and every individual accepts money from the government. Ever taken a deduction? Ever gotten a stimulus check? Does that mean you are an arm of the government? Yes, we are all extensions of the government via a vote, even illegal immigrant's. Can't believe we are having this argument. I'm moving a long on this one.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Jpurdue]
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01/11/21 05:38 PM
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Huckleberry
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Actually, Twitter, Google, and Apple accept more than enough government money to satisfy a “arm of a the government” precedent, which already exists. I don’t know if the people would prevail in court, but the precedent certainly exists. I find some accounts of “the threat of more violence” to be absurdly overstated, too. I recently watched a compilation of MSM commentaries on the violence from last year, where the talking heads were waxing eloquently about how all of the “DEFUND” and BLM looting, burning, and killing was benefitting our nation. It’s a long-standing double standard, and far too many sheep in this country allow the he MSM to tell them what to think, without question. When this love affair with the left ends, a lot of the damage they’ve done won’t be reversed. By that logic every company and every individual accepts money from the government. Ever taken a deduction? Ever gotten a stimulus check? Does that mean you are an arm of the government? Yes, we are all extensions of the government via a vote, even illegal immigrant's. Can't believe we are having this argument. I'm moving a long on this one. What, That didn't make sense?
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Laker One]
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01/11/21 05:42 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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The first amendment very clearly says. "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." The key term there is Congress. It does not say, "Businesses shall make no rules."
Amazon has terms of service just like very other company out there. When parlor clicked, "We accept the terms of service," they agreed to play by the rules. Amazon has deemed they haven't played by the rules. That's perfectly legal.
You guys like to selectively apply the constitution when it suits your purposes and pretend it says something different when it doesn't.
Amazon has every right to deny them service so long as they are not doing so for protected reasons. (Race. Color. Religion or creed. National origin or ancestry. Sex. Age. Physical or mental disability. Veteran status.)
Parlor may have some service disruption, but they are not going anywhere. There's a million porn sites that can find service providers, Parlor will find one as well. So it was OK to organize riots on social media 6-8 months ago. You are entirely missing the point. These service agreement rules they are citing have been broken many times in the past without repercussions. This is selective enforcement to silence people. Do we know how many warnings have been issued to others organizing violence? Do we know how many of them were taken down? I've got a pile of buddies who have been put in FB jail for various things. Millions of accounts are deleted or banned a month. Do we know how many warnings were issued to Paler? We don't. Maybe there weren't any. That would be fine as well. It may not be cool JP, but it's perfectly legal. It's literally legal in most states for me to fire a guy for wearing a bears hat and not a guy wearing a packers hat. It's called at will employment. It should stay that way as well. Government should stay out of business as much as possible. Most conservatives agree with that. You know exactly what's going on right now and I doubt you condone it. This is an organized and cooperative initiative to silence certain people. It stinks of collusion and criminal conspiracy.
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Laker One]
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01/11/21 05:48 PM
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Jpurdue
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Jpurdue]
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01/11/21 05:52 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is. So you think it's OK for them to decide who is right and who is wrong? And if you are not up to date with current events, why are you here debating them?
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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01/11/21 06:00 PM
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Jpurdue
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is. So you think it's OK for them to decide who is right and who is wrong? And if you are not up to date with current events, why are you here debating them? Yes I do JP. That's the law. I'm on here debating that the first amendment does not apply to private companies and their policies. As an example, you have every legal right to ban me from this site forever for this post even if it does not violate your policies. (I hope you don't, I love the TFF and most of the guys on here. I appreciate the community), but you certainly have that right and you should retain that right as a private business owner. That's all I'm arguing.
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: J.P. Greeson]
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01/11/21 06:07 PM
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is. So you think it's OK for them to decide who is right and who is wrong? And if you are not up to date with current events, why are you here debating them? I'm going to amplify this comment. Big Tech has had the shield of Section 230, which protects them for being a platform where OTHER PEOPLE publish stuff. But they're no longer mere platforms - companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Twitter have dominated the social media landscape in an oligopoly, and are using the oligopoly power to shut out anyone who disagrees with their politics. And of course, as JP said, FB etc are happy to let leftist groups use their platforms to coordinate riots and other violence, which is hypocrisy at best and probably could be considered criminal at some level (perhaps conspiracy, collusion, aiding & abetting). The next logical step (I hope I'm wrong) is for Big Tech to force a choice on banks. Banks will be given a choice of continued membership and access to Big Tech services, or to keep citizens as customers, but not both. So if your Facebook page says that you're a Republican, the bank will shut your account down. Bought ammo with your credit card? Don't be surprised if your card get closed out. It might even extend to whether or not your cell phone gets cancelled. Would such actions still be private companies just conducting business, or is there some level at which they become public actors subject to the Constitution? BTW - from now on, I'm saying "citizens" rather than "conservatives" because many moderate liberals still share the common values of freedom and liberty with conservatives. But the Big Tech people are way left past liberal.
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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01/11/21 06:08 PM
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is. So you think it's OK for them to decide who is right and who is wrong? And if you are not up to date with current events, why are you here debating them? I'm going to amplify this comment. Big Tech has had the shield of Section 230, which protects them for being a platform where OTHER PEOPLE publish stuff. But they're no longer mere platforms - companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Twitter have dominated the social media landscape in an oligopoly, and are using the oligopoly power to shut out anyone who disagrees with their politics. And of course, as JP said, FB etc are happy to let leftist groups use their platforms to coordinate riots and other violence, which is hypocrisy at best and probably could be considered criminal at some level (perhaps conspiracy, collusion, aiding & abetting). The next logical step (I hope I'm wrong) is for Big Tech to force a choice on banks. Banks will be given a choice of continued membership and access to Big Tech services, or to keep citizens as customers, but not both. So if your Facebook page says that you're a Republican, the bank will shut your account down. Bought ammo with your credit card? Don't be surprised if your card get closed out. It might even extend to whether or not your cell phone gets cancelled. Would such actions still be private companies just conducting business, or is there some level at which they become public actors subject to the Constitution? BTW - from now on, I'm saying "citizens" rather than "conservatives" because many moderate liberals still share the common values of freedom and liberty with conservatives. But the Big Tech people are way left past liberal. I listened to Tulsi Gabbart talk about it this morning. I like her. She may be the only sane democrat left.
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Jpurdue]
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01/11/21 06:11 PM
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There's a million porn sites that can find service providers Tell me more about these "million porn sites"...
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Jpurdue]
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01/11/21 06:18 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is. So you think it's OK for them to decide who is right and who is wrong? And if you are not up to date with current events, why are you here debating them? Yes I do JP. That's the law. I'm on here debating that the first amendment does not apply to private companies and their policies. As an example, you have every legal right to ban me from this site forever for this post even if it does not violate your policies. (I hope you don't, I love the TFF and most of the guys on here. I appreciate the community), but you certainly have that right and you should retain that right as a private business owner. That's all I'm arguing. Not even comparable. The top 3 tech companies in the world are working together to silence conservative voices - many conservative Twitter accounts have been closed in the last few days. The current sitting president of the USA has been banned from all of the major social media sites. You don't have to agree with Trump and you don't need to be a conservative, but you do need to see that this is wrong. No offense Jpurdue, but you are not a constitutional lawyer and I don't believe your opinion that laws are not being broken. Again, if you haven't been keeping up with what is going on with Twitter and others, why are you debating this? The problem is not only shutting down Parler. It's the closing of so many conservative accounts on other social media platforms, then the complete shutdown of the one place where they could speak openly.
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Laker One]
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01/11/21 06:24 PM
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T Bird
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The revocation of their Code 230 status sure got quiet on the left.
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Re: Big Tech Shuts Down Parler!
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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01/11/21 06:31 PM
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J.P. Greeson
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I actually don't know a ton about it JP. I've never been on Parler. I'm only loosely aware it's some sort of conservative twitter. I do not know the types of things being said on there. If people are using the site to spread mass miss-information that could lead to a civil war in this country or violence that could harm people, then actually I don't blame big tech for distancing themselves. If I owned those companies I would probably do the same thing. Then I again, I'd have also done it earlier this year with folks organizing gatherings to burn cities down. If the argument is big tech leans left, I think we all know that is true. Is what it is. So you think it's OK for them to decide who is right and who is wrong? And if you are not up to date with current events, why are you here debating them? I'm going to amplify this comment. Big Tech has had the shield of Section 230, which protects them for being a platform where OTHER PEOPLE publish stuff. But they're no longer mere platforms - companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon, and Twitter have dominated the social media landscape in an oligopoly, and are using the oligopoly power to shut out anyone who disagrees with their politics. And of course, as JP said, FB etc are happy to let leftist groups use their platforms to coordinate riots and other violence, which is hypocrisy at best and probably could be considered criminal at some level (perhaps conspiracy, collusion, aiding & abetting). The next logical step (I hope I'm wrong) is for Big Tech to force a choice on banks. Banks will be given a choice of continued membership and access to Big Tech services, or to keep citizens as customers, but not both. So if your Facebook page says that you're a Republican, the bank will shut your account down. Bought ammo with your credit card? Don't be surprised if your card get closed out. It might even extend to whether or not your cell phone gets cancelled. Would such actions still be private companies just conducting business, or is there some level at which they become public actors subject to the Constitution? BTW - from now on, I'm saying "citizens" rather than "conservatives" because many moderate liberals still share the common values of freedom and liberty with conservatives. But the Big Tech people are way left past liberal. Exactly Zac. When you start telling people what is right/wrong or true/false, you are nullifying the laws in 230. Our lawyer drew this up years ago to send to any yahoo threatening to sue us for something posted on our forums. Outdoor Sites Network is not required to remove allegedly defamatory content from texasfishingforum.com or any other of our U.S. dot com domains without a court order.US domain sites such as texasfishingforum.com and texashuntingforum.com are sites regulated only by U.S. law. Given this fact, and pursuant to Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act, we are not required to remove allegedly defamatory material from U.S. domains. The only exception to this rule is if the material has been found to be defamatory by a court, as evidenced by a court order.The language of Section 230(c) of the Communications Decency Act fundamentally states that Internet services like texashuntingforum.com and texasfishingforum.com and many of Outdoor Sites Network�s other services are republishers and not the publisher of that content. Therefore, these sites are not held liable for any allegedly defamatory, offensive or harassing content published on the site. [/quote] This is what keeps every owner of a social media site from getting sued. These guys are shooting themselves, and possibly all of us, in the foot with thier actions.
The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the worse the problem, the longer the trip should be. --John Gierach
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