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has deer hunting turned into "shooting" and bass fishing turned into "catching".... #13704090 09/18/20 02:17 PM
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How many people go deer hunting,climb into their stand or pop up blind with no knowledge of what kind of deer may be in the area? based on the conversations with deer hunting friends and watching outdoor TV shows,most people have cameras out that monitor the deer population where they are hunting and they know what to expect before they go hunting......typically they restrict their deer harvest to a certain age group and/or antler size...is this hunting or selective shooting?
similar situation with fishing....side scan has evolved into live or 360 scan and many fishermen now will not make a cast until they have spotted fish on their electronics.....are the days of dropping your trolling motor and fishing down a bank hoping you will catch somethig gone.....is it catching now instead of fishing?....

Re: has deer hunting turned into "shooting" and bass fishing turned into "catching".... [Re: beartrap] #13704094 09/18/20 02:23 PM
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Re: has deer hunting turned into "shooting" and bass fishing turned into "catching".... [Re: beartrap] #13704097 09/18/20 02:24 PM
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Sounds like a "trophy" experience instead of an "eating" experience.

Re: has deer hunting turned into "shooting" and bass fishing turned into "catching".... [Re: beartrap] #13704115 09/18/20 02:42 PM
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As far as Deer are concerned it shows the long term end results of educated management principles.
Rather than go out and shoot the first thing you see that has any sort of antlers and never shooting does, we have learned through a great deal of theory put into practice about Buck/Doe ratios, Age to antler size, land carrying capacity, etc. This has helped increase the quality, and in some areas quantity, of the herd of available deer.

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I mainly meat hunt now, I have 2 nice ones mounted and hung out in my shop. I only bow hunt so taking a certain animal is not a guaranteed thing. As for fishing, a lot of the time it is just to go and enjoy the lake. Launch the boat, drop the trolling motor and start casting. I have a few baited holes that I will freshen up and come back to later if the Bass are not biting.

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A deer can't choose whether or not to eat a bullet. You can know exactly where the fish is, but they've still got a choice in the matter.


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As far as hunting goes, on our ranch, we don't run Cameras. We shoot mature bucks and does. We still like to have the element of surprise. We typically know what we have and what our "trophies" are for our ranch and those our are targets.

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Originally Posted by Jpurdue
A deer can't choose whether or not to eat a bullet. You can know exactly where the fish is, but they've still got a choice in the matter.

Not if you're a snagger like that guy from California.


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I’m not sure what you’re talking about. We have 9 cameras on our place that send pictures out via cell service.

Here is one pic from this morning.

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Originally Posted by PondFish
As far as Deer are concerned it shows the long term end results of educated management principles.
Rather than go out and shoot the first thing you see that has any sort of antlers and never shooting does, we have learned through a great deal of theory put into practice about Buck/Doe ratios, Age to antler size, land carrying capacity, etc. This has helped increase the quality, and in some areas quantity, of the herd of available deer.


sounds like what you are doing is "selective management shooting" ......not trying to be critical,I'm a hunter and have been my entire life but the point I'm trying to make is that the deer hunting we do now with planting food plots high fences,,selective harvesting of our deer herd is a little more sporting but not much different in principle than a rancher going out and selecting cows from his herd to take to the slaughter house....
as electonics get better,are we going down the same path with fishing?

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Originally Posted by beartrap
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As far as Deer are concerned it shows the long term end results of educated management principles.
Rather than go out and shoot the first thing you see that has any sort of antlers and never shooting does, we have learned through a great deal of theory put into practice about Buck/Doe ratios, Age to antler size, land carrying capacity, etc. This has helped increase the quality, and in some areas quantity, of the herd of available deer.


sounds like what you are doling is "selective management shooting" ......not trying to be critical,I'm a hunter and have been my entire life but the point I'm trying to make is that the deer hunting we do now with planting food plots high fences,,selective harvesting of our deer herd is a little more sporting but not much different in principle than a rancher going out and selecting cows from his herd to take to the slaughter house....
as electonics get better,are we going down the same path with fishing?

I dispute the part where you say you aren’t trying to be critical. I believe it’s 100% critical.

That’s fine, if you don’t like it. That’s fine if you want to be critical. If I was you, I would just leave that part out.

As far as I’m concerned. I like the new stuff. We see deer every year that have never shown up on the cameras. I have livescope. It helps. But, I do not catch limits of 2 pound crappie every time. Actually, I have never caught a limit of 2 pound crappie.

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hunting in Texas is the way it is due to about 98% of the state being private property. you have to pay for a lease or buy a ranch, then there are restrictions on how you can hunt due to area available so you get blind hunting instead of stalk hunts.

chasing mule deer and elk in the mts. where it is illegal to put out feed is hunting, sitting in a stand over a feeder is still a form of hunting but not in a traditional sense and your chances are increased substantially.

as for fishing, I have the latest greatest electronics (still learning them) and just go to fish, it's fun to watch the livescope and when I get better with it maybe it will help me catch, as for right now it is a bunch of expensive electronic stuff on my boat.
having nice electronics makes it easy to see what the bottom look like, give me an idea of where any fish may be but it is still my job to figure out what they want to eat and put it in front of them so they want it.
short of dynamite there is no guaranteed catching.


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Originally Posted by fishslime
Sounds like a "trophy" experience instead of an "eating" experience.


That's what I do. I am only a rack hunter. I would bring family and friends out later in the season that wanted deer meat to shoot does.


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As far as Deer are concerned it shows the long term end results of educated management principles.
Rather than go out and shoot the first thing you see that has any sort of antlers and never shooting does, we have learned through a great deal of theory put into practice about Buck/Doe ratios, Age to antler size, land carrying capacity, etc. This has helped increase the quality, and in some areas quantity, of the herd of available deer.


sounds like what you are doling is "selective management shooting" ......not trying to be critical,I'm a hunter and have been my entire life but the point I'm trying to make is that the deer hunting we do now with planting food plots high fences,,selective harvesting of our deer herd is a little more sporting but not much different in principle than a rancher going out and selecting cows from his herd to take to the slaughter house....
as electonics get better,are we going down the same path with fishing?

I dispute the part where you say you aren’t trying to be critical. I believe it’s 100% critical.

That’s fine, if you don’t like it. That’s fine if you want to be critical. If I was you, I would just leave that part out.

As far as I’m concerned. I like the new stuff. We see deer every year that have never shown up on the cameras. I have livescope. It helps. But, I do not catch limits of 2 pound crappie every time. Actually, I have never caught a limit of 2 pound crappie.



trying to keep my comments as an observation and seeking thoughts/opinions from other hunters and fishermen as to where we are headed...

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like shooting a bear over rancid garbage

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