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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Gusick]
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08/14/20 05:07 AM
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Bee'z
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At the risk of being called an America-hating commie, I'm going to say abortion does not justify or equate to police violence, or any other murder. Although I used to be, I am no longer brainwashed to believe that opposing abortion is the sole measure of morality. I now see it as a get out of jail card that has been trumped up as the ultimate sin so Christians can use it to reconcile greed, racism, violence and contempt for the poor. You are a [censored] moron so how could we assume you would look at this logically? You wont... Never will. Neither will your buddy
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/14/20 05:50 AM
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McLovin’
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"That money will be redirected instead to a wide variety of community programs and city departments, including Austin-Travis County EMS for COVID-19 response, mental health response, violence prevention and a family violence shelter and protection and victim services."
Why is that a problem? LMAO....it’s not a problem, your way of thinking IS.... let’s just let every shoot and kill for what they want or need....most of your posts are fairly intelligent and you bring up some good talking points but you missed it here.... There are people in society that have to have rules and laws...if you don’t like it, move to another country where they don’t have laws or police and watch your 6!!!
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 06:13 AM
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Gusick
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Austin will still have rules and laws. They will still have police, but their budget will be reduced by 1/3. That's a substantial cut but it's not the anarchy that some are making it out to be.
That said, I'm not necessarily in favor of this. I don't know if Austin's PD is over funded or under funded, I live to far away to know or care. I doubt funding is the problem that causes police to kill too many people. It's probably their standards or training that needs to be changed.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 07:01 AM
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The stereo typing of officers that is in today’s culture is very toxic especially for the youth . Not everybody that wears camo hunts. Not everyone that Listens to tupac smokes weed. Not every one thats Mexican speaks Spanish . Ect...
Stereo typing people is 9 out of 10 times bred and a hard habit to break . But usually in my own opinion typically harmless even tho it may or may not be just in bad taste . Wrong or not everybody does it in some shape or form .
But filling our children / teenagers / young adults ears with this garbage and biased propaganda that ALL cops are killers and out to get you and do you some type of harm is DANGEROUS! This whole mess is opening Pandora’s box for the next generations.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 07:04 AM
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I graduated from Texas in 2005, I had the truck loaded down and a cattle trailer full of furniture, walked the stage and hit the road. It was bad then and a dang hippie paradise now. I used to go visit friends and classmates, up until this year I had season tickets to the football games. It just became more "work" than work to go and deal with that town. Damn shame...
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Gusick]
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08/14/20 12:27 PM
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At the risk of being called an America-hating commie, I'm going to say abortion does not justify or equate to police violence, or any other murder. Although I used to be, I am no longer brainwashed to believe that opposing abortion is the sole measure of morality. I now see it as a get out of jail card that has been trumped up as the ultimate sin so Christians can use it to reconcile greed, racism, violence and contempt for the poor. Pretty poor thing to say Gusick. All anti-abortion people that I know don't care whether the abortion happens to a rich white mom or a poor black mom - they just want the kids left alone. If Christians really wanted to hurt the poor as you believe, why wouldn't they let them have all the abortions they want? I do agree that abortion does not justify violence by police or against police. We need less violence, not more.
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Gusick]
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08/14/20 12:33 PM
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At the risk of being called an America-hating commie, I'm going to say abortion does not justify or equate to police violence, or any other murder. Although I used to be, I am no longer brainwashed to believe that opposing abortion is the sole measure of morality. I now see it as a get out of jail card that has been trumped up as the ultimate sin so Christians can use it to reconcile greed, racism, violence and contempt for the poor. Yes those Christians with their medical missions, charities, food banks, orphanages, are the scourge of the earth.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Gusick]
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08/14/20 12:44 PM
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At the risk of being called an America-hating commie, I'm going to say abortion does not justify or equate to police violence, or any other murder. Although I used to be, I am no longer brainwashed to believe that opposing abortion is the sole measure of morality. I now see it as a get out of jail card that has been trumped up as the ultimate sin so Christians can use it to reconcile greed, racism, violence and contempt for the poor. I think abortion is wrong and I am not a religious person , as usual folks from your side of politics will argue themselves into hole What’s happening in today’s politics is just plain horse S in the highest order.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 12:51 PM
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I think all you need to do is look at the cities who have already defunded police and see what crime rates are now, New York is a prime example of why this doesnt actually fix the problem. It takes funding to improve the police, via training and new hirings/firings of those who have been complicit. Take away funding and you lose veteran officers, cant hire new recruiting classes and cant police as much as before. Sure, maybe there will be less police involved shootings but if crime rates are rising is that really even a good thing?
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: TR176]
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08/14/20 12:54 PM
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At the risk of being called an America-hating commie, I'm going to say abortion does not justify or equate to police violence, or any other murder. Although I used to be, I am no longer brainwashed to believe that opposing abortion is the sole measure of morality. I now see it as a get out of jail card that has been trumped up as the ultimate sin so Christians can use it to reconcile greed, racism, violence and contempt for the poor. Yes those Christians with their medical missions, charities, food banks, orphanages, are the scourge of the earth. savage eh?
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 01:12 PM
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The Austin Retired Police Union guy was on the radio this morning. He stated that no new recruit class will start under this budget until late 2021 or even into 2022. Then its 8 months of class, then the ride along time, which puts the new recruits out on their own into 2023. At the current rate of retirement, the City of Austin will have a 400 officer reduction, they were already 150 officers short before this came to head. Add to that the officers that are leaving to get out of the Toxic environment, the City of Austin in a very short amount of time may have the police force equivalent of the 1990's. There were 15 officers that left this week alone, pre-retirement age.
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 01:55 PM
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Hookem
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Bring back the Armadillo!
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Kicker16]
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08/14/20 02:03 PM
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Wonder if Abbott will get involved if he feels these moronic policies are putting state employees at risk? Requiring people to live and work in a lawless town is problematic.
“There’s no such thing as too much horsepower, just not enough traction”…..Carroll Shelby
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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08/14/20 02:45 PM
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That was a valid point. Years of police brutality and murder against minorities sparked the whole BLM movement. The police responses to peaceful and legal demonstrators did not help the police case. You’d think they’d know they were being recorded behaving just as badly as many people think they are. That's why cities are reducing their funding--poor community relations.
Supporting better policing does not mean a person hates all cops. That’s like saying if a person is against child abuse, he hates all parents.
While you think I’m smug and passive-aggressive, all my points are clearly, logically, and stated without emotional histrionics, but somehow all the name-callers don't seem to get chided. Occupation university professor
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Re: Austin to Defund Police
[Re: Gusick]
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08/14/20 02:47 PM
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At the risk of being called an America-hating commie, I'm going to say abortion does not justify or equate to police violence, or any other murder. Although I used to be, I am no longer brainwashed to believe that opposing abortion is the sole measure of morality. I now see it as a get out of jail card that has been trumped up as the ultimate sin so Christians can use it to reconcile greed, racism, violence and contempt for the poor. So you flip flop your positions, no real convictions.
Last edited by BrahmanTx; 08/14/20 03:28 PM.
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