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Re: Bpt entry fees [Re: Used2fish] #13625812 07/10/20 01:48 PM
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I said from the get go. This is being pedaled by a few in the elites that are staring at the end of their career. So they took ownership in the MLF to destroy BASS. A retirement plan if you will.

Well little Timmy better buy a lawn mower and a trailer because he's about to be unemployed.

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Re: Bpt entry fees [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13625838 07/10/20 02:09 PM
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The general public has been told that keeping fish in your livewell is wrong and bad conservation. We are also told that professional fisherman should not pay entry fees. The way I look at things when I tell someone something is right it's right all the time and when I tell somebody something is wrong it's wrong all the time what happens in the economy does not change what is right and what is wrong. So is it right to put fish in your livewell? Is it wrong for a professional anglers to pay entry fees?


Maybe I missed it, but both of those points seem reductionist and bitter. Did they say “putting fish in livewell is wrong?” Then why do they have FLW with a traditional five fish format under the same umbrella? There was definitely an aspect of catch, photograph, release being better for fish than putting them in a livewell, but I don’t remember it being labeled as “wrong.”

It was the anglers who were complaining about fishing for their own money, if I remember right, and proposed no entry fees, voted on it, and it passed. Is that incorrect?

I will never understand the bitterness and relishing of change (temporary or otherwise) - especially in a time when most businesses are struggling and making drastic changes - just because MLF went to a different format.


Did you watch MLF this weekend? They are airing their livewells are bad commercial again while telling their anglers to go fish FLW since they cancelled half their free tournaments.


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Looks like they may have changed the payout for this last event. 1st place is $65,000 instead of $100,000 .
Same overall just allocated differently.

Re: Bpt entry fees [Re: Used2fish] #13625966 07/10/20 03:50 PM
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Elite entry fees went down
Elite payouts went up
Elite coverage got way better
A bunch of new guys got a shot at becoming legends in the sport
Anglers have multiple options for watching live fishing

All due to competition from BPT.

Why are yall mad again?

Capitalism at its finest. Nobody commenting here will make more or less money if any or all of these trails fail or succeed.

Ironically, the guys making the most money in fishing right now are the Youtubers like the Googan Squad boys. Remember how most of yall treated them?

And let’s face it....most of you would still be on your knees for the KVDs of the world if they were with BASS.

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Originally Posted by Used2fish
The general public has been told that keeping fish in your livewell is wrong and bad conservation. We are also told that professional fisherman should not pay entry fees. The way I look at things when I tell someone something is right it's right all the time and when I tell somebody something is wrong it's wrong all the time what happens in the economy does not change what is right and what is wrong. So is it right to put fish in your livewell? Is it wrong for a professional anglers to pay entry fees?


Maybe I missed it, but both of those points seem reductionist and bitter. Did they say “putting fish in livewell is wrong?” Then why do they have FLW with a traditional five fish format under the same umbrella? There was definitely an aspect of catch, photograph, release being better for fish than putting them in a livewell, but I don’t remember it being labeled as “wrong.”

It was the anglers who were complaining about fishing for their own money, if I remember right, and proposed no entry fees, voted on it, and it passed. Is that incorrect?

I will never understand the bitterness and relishing of change (temporary or otherwise) - especially in a time when most businesses are struggling and making drastic changes - just because MLF went to a different format.


Did you watch MLF this weekend? They are airing their livewells are bad commercial again while telling their anglers to go fish FLW since they cancelled half their free tournaments.


I’m watching it live now, but I did not watch last weekend. I believe I have it recorded so I’ll watch the commercial. It better say “livewell are wrong,” though.


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Re: Bpt entry fees [Re: Used2fish] #13632752 07/16/20 02:15 PM
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Interesting read from a FLW pro

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After spending a few days out of the loop, I was surprised by the headlines when I signed back on. Shocked, really.
“BPT Anglers Likely To Pay Entry Fees In ’21”
What?
Naturally, my bewilderment stemmed from all the hype that surrounded the no-entry fee model at the inception of the Bass Pro Tour. As fans, we were led to believe that the new circuit was the beginning of a revolution in professional bass fishing, one that would elevate the athletes to true professional status without the threat of them going broke in the pursuit.
In addition, I was under the impression that the concept was a three-year experiment, also reported by those who initially made the jump. The anglers were going to steer the ship, it was said.
"What brought this great group of anglers together in the first place was the allure of being able to ultimately control our own destiny because collectively we now make the rules … We call this 'Major League' Fishing for a reason and no entry fees is a monumental move in our achieving that distinction,” said co-founder Gary Klein in a statement regarding the vote not to pay to play.
Now, my first objective was, and always is, to be fair. That required more research.
Here I found a very important sequence of statements that should be refreshed. In his initial reports to the media regarding the inception of the Bass Pro Tour (these date back to late 2018), co-founder Boyd Duckett stressed the importance of expanding the sport.
Doing so would be accomplished, according to Duckett, through increased television and online competition coverage and support of major sponsors like Bass Pro Shops, thus producing greater exposure. Any talk of helping anglers was absent from the early bullet points, other than offering a higher payout.
“We always believed if we elevated the visibility of our sport, everyone in our industry would be a beneficiary,” Duckett simply said.
At the time, if you remember, the Bass Pro Tour announced it would feature a standard entry-fee system; somewhere in the neighborhood of $48,000 per angler. Payout percentages were reported to be above and beyond those of other top professional circuits. At the time, the rumors of a no-entry fee circuit were just that, and it appeared the standard model would hold true.
A few months later, an angler vote was held to either continue with this plan or drop the payout substantially based on a no-entry-fee model. Again digging through the archives, we learned, “Vote totals weren't announced, but several anglers reported that the margin was a landslide, with only a handful preferring the pay-for-play format that pro fishing has traditionally utilized.”
One thing that’s important to note is that Duckett himself voted for pay-for-play. In his view, the concept of higher pay in and out, and thus eye-popping purses, would better sell the BPT package.
However, according to recent comments by Duckett, the advertising game isn’t always fair: “The fans and sponsors forgot that we don't pay entry fees and we were being compared directly to leagues that paid a little less than we did. It's something that the world might not be ready for.”
In any case, after the initial vote, significant marketing and exposure was given to the no-entry fee model as a way to legitimize and build the sport. Major League Fishing went as far as releasing a commercial with contributions from some of the biggest names in the game praising the plan.
“I’ve waited my entire life to see this,” one veteran said. “It legitimizes our sport,” was the feeling of another. Numerous eggs were being placed in the basket.
But, again to be fair, the whole concept behind the Bass Pro Tour was one of expansion and bringing new eyes to the game. Again, initially from Duckett, “we have big plans for teaching the rest of the world what tournament fishing is and creating a phenomenal fan base …”
There is no question they have done just that. Regular readers here will recognize my admiration for how much the Bass Pro Tour has accomplished in short order, how far it's pushed others along and how impressed I am by its working business plan.
As I’ve stated in the past, I commend the management at the BPT for continuing to remain flexible in their approach. A dynamic business is necessary for growth. However, I must say that the no-entry fee concept was one principal I assumed was stable.
The most recent statements confirm that anglers will still drive the boat and meetings and votes will determine the best path, entry fees or not. And in the event that the entry fee model is put back into play, the net expense per angler is reported to be incredibly low. But, as we’re already seeing in feedback from the fans, this quick change is being viewed by some as a real egg on the face of the BPT, as it defeats the brotherhood notion that so many competitors put out there initially.
And while the creators of the concept have more business sense in their little fingers than I do in my entire body, I question the comments on pandemic-related budget concerns. Much of the fishing industry is experiencing record participation and online sales right now, as COVID pushes more Americans outside. But then again, I’m guessing that many of the big players in the BPT game are those from non-endemics, which may very well be hurting.
In the end, I’m a little sad for the sport. With the announcement of the no-entry-fee system in 2019, one headliner said, “We can honestly say, from this day forward, the sport is beginning.”
So where does that leave us now?

Re: Bpt entry fees [Re: SC-001] #13632837 07/16/20 03:07 PM
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Interesting read from a FLW pro

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After spending a few days out of the loop, I was surprised by the headlines when I signed back on. Shocked, really.
“BPT Anglers Likely To Pay Entry Fees In ’21”
What?
Naturally, my bewilderment stemmed from all the hype that surrounded the no-entry fee model at the inception of the Bass Pro Tour. As fans, we were led to believe that the new circuit was the beginning of a revolution in professional bass fishing, one that would elevate the athletes to true professional status without the threat of them going broke in the pursuit.
In addition, I was under the impression that the concept was a three-year experiment, also reported by those who initially made the jump. The anglers were going to steer the ship, it was said.
"What brought this great group of anglers together in the first place was the allure of being able to ultimately control our own destiny because collectively we now make the rules … We call this 'Major League' Fishing for a reason and no entry fees is a monumental move in our achieving that distinction,” said co-founder Gary Klein in a statement regarding the vote not to pay to play.
Now, my first objective was, and always is, to be fair. That required more research.
Here I found a very important sequence of statements that should be refreshed. In his initial reports to the media regarding the inception of the Bass Pro Tour (these date back to late 2018), co-founder Boyd Duckett stressed the importance of expanding the sport.
Doing so would be accomplished, according to Duckett, through increased television and online competition coverage and support of major sponsors like Bass Pro Shops, thus producing greater exposure. Any talk of helping anglers was absent from the early bullet points, other than offering a higher payout.
“We always believed if we elevated the visibility of our sport, everyone in our industry would be a beneficiary,” Duckett simply said.
At the time, if you remember, the Bass Pro Tour announced it would feature a standard entry-fee system; somewhere in the neighborhood of $48,000 per angler. Payout percentages were reported to be above and beyond those of other top professional circuits. At the time, the rumors of a no-entry fee circuit were just that, and it appeared the standard model would hold true.
A few months later, an angler vote was held to either continue with this plan or drop the payout substantially based on a no-entry-fee model. Again digging through the archives, we learned, “Vote totals weren't announced, but several anglers reported that the margin was a landslide, with only a handful preferring the pay-for-play format that pro fishing has traditionally utilized.”
One thing that’s important to note is that Duckett himself voted for pay-for-play. In his view, the concept of higher pay in and out, and thus eye-popping purses, would better sell the BPT package.
However, according to recent comments by Duckett, the advertising game isn’t always fair: “The fans and sponsors forgot that we don't pay entry fees and we were being compared directly to leagues that paid a little less than we did. It's something that the world might not be ready for.”
In any case, after the initial vote, significant marketing and exposure was given to the no-entry fee model as a way to legitimize and build the sport. Major League Fishing went as far as releasing a commercial with contributions from some of the biggest names in the game praising the plan.
“I’ve waited my entire life to see this,” one veteran said. “It legitimizes our sport,” was the feeling of another. Numerous eggs were being placed in the basket.
But, again to be fair, the whole concept behind the Bass Pro Tour was one of expansion and bringing new eyes to the game. Again, initially from Duckett, “we have big plans for teaching the rest of the world what tournament fishing is and creating a phenomenal fan base …”
There is no question they have done just that. Regular readers here will recognize my admiration for how much the Bass Pro Tour has accomplished in short order, how far it's pushed others along and how impressed I am by its working business plan.
As I’ve stated in the past, I commend the management at the BPT for continuing to remain flexible in their approach. A dynamic business is necessary for growth. However, I must say that the no-entry fee concept was one principal I assumed was stable.
The most recent statements confirm that anglers will still drive the boat and meetings and votes will determine the best path, entry fees or not. And in the event that the entry fee model is put back into play, the net expense per angler is reported to be incredibly low. But, as we’re already seeing in feedback from the fans, this quick change is being viewed by some as a real egg on the face of the BPT, as it defeats the brotherhood notion that so many competitors put out there initially.
And while the creators of the concept have more business sense in their little fingers than I do in my entire body, I question the comments on pandemic-related budget concerns. Much of the fishing industry is experiencing record participation and online sales right now, as COVID pushes more Americans outside. But then again, I’m guessing that many of the big players in the BPT game are those from non-endemics, which may very well be hurting.
In the end, I’m a little sad for the sport. With the announcement of the no-entry-fee system in 2019, one headliner said, “We can honestly say, from this day forward, the sport is beginning.”
So where does that leave us now?


I wouldn't call him an FLW Pro. I don't think he has fished FLW in over a decade. And BPT paying entry fees isn't a done deal. It hasn't even been voted on yet. If it passes as proposed each angler will only be out 14,000 for the season.

Re: Bpt entry fees [Re: Used2fish] #13632880 07/16/20 03:20 PM
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BPT/MLF anglers are getting 6 1/2 hours TV exposure every week on Outdoor and Discovery channel and all FLW tourneys are getting 4 hours TV coverage...they are the #1 ranked outdoor TV show.......in addition all 5 days of MLF tourney are being streamed live....contrast that to BASS"s 30 hours TV coverage in a year and it's a huge advantage for MLF/BPT anglers trying to gain exposure for their sponsors......

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Originally Posted by beartrap
BPT/MLF anglers are getting 6 1/2 hours TV exposure every week on Outdoor and Discovery channel and all FLW tourneys are getting 4 hours TV coverage...they are the #1 ranked outdoor TV show.......in addition all 5 days of MLF tourney are being streamed live....contrast that to BASS"s 30 hours TV coverage in a year and it's a huge advantage for MLF/BPT anglers trying to gain exposure for their sponsors......



You better throw in at least 3-4 BASS Elite events this year having live coverage on ESPN2 for 6-8hrs per day times 4 days per event. The numbers of viewers from the Eufaula event was 2.8M on that event for BASS.

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BPT/MLF anglers are getting 6 1/2 hours TV exposure every week on Outdoor and Discovery channel and all FLW tourneys are getting 4 hours TV coverage...they are the #1 ranked outdoor TV show.......in addition all 5 days of MLF tourney are being streamed live....contrast that to BASS"s 30 hours TV coverage in a year and it's a huge advantage for MLF/BPT anglers trying to gain exposure for their sponsors......



You better throw in at least 3-4 BASS Elite events having live coverage on ESPN2 for 6-8hrs per day times 4 days per event. The numbers of viewers from the Eufaula event was 2.8M on tvat event for BASS.

Glad to see those numbers. Curious what it would be with full sports schedule in a non COVID climate?


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I think it would be close to the same, nascar #'s after the first race back are the same or maybe just a little better than last year now that they've got rolling, it must be killing BASS right now not to be having that cancelled event right now on ESPN2, I can still see it on the programming sched

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I think it would be close to the same, nascar #'s after the first race back are the same or maybe just a little better than last year now that they've got rolling, it must be killing BASS right now not to be having that cancelled event right now on ESPN2, I can still see it on the programming sched



They announced that the 2 NY events will be shown live on ESPN2. Not sure about the November event.

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BPT/MLF anglers are getting 6 1/2 hours TV exposure every week on Outdoor and Discovery channel and all FLW tourneys are getting 4 hours TV coverage...they are the #1 ranked outdoor TV show.......in addition all 5 days of MLF tourney are being streamed live....contrast that to BASS"s 30 hours TV coverage in a year and it's a huge advantage for MLF/BPT anglers trying to gain exposure for their sponsors......



You better throw in at least 3-4 BASS Elite events this year having live coverage on ESPN2 for 6-8hrs per day times 4 days per event. The numbers of viewers from the Eufaula event was 2.8M on that event for BASS.


the only reason they are getting this live coverage from ESPN is that every sports game has been cancelled and people are sick of corn hole contests and 15 year old game replays...when sports contests are resumed,ESPN may or may not televise any more bass tournys....
one thing you can count on,if the bass fishermen like boyd duckett,gary klein and several others hadn't had the foresight to form MLF and break away from BASS....they would have been sitting at home this past week,still paying entry fees and getting maybe 30 hours TV coverage each year.....

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BPT/MLF anglers are getting 6 1/2 hours TV exposure every week on Outdoor and Discovery channel and all FLW tourneys are getting 4 hours TV coverage...they are the #1 ranked outdoor TV show.......in addition all 5 days of MLF tourney are being streamed live....contrast that to BASS"s 30 hours TV coverage in a year and it's a huge advantage for MLF/BPT anglers trying to gain exposure for their sponsors......



You better throw in at least 3-4 BASS Elite events this year having live coverage on ESPN2 for 6-8hrs per day times 4 days per event. The numbers of viewers from the Eufaula event was 2.8M on that event for BASS.


the only reason they are getting this live coverage from ESPN is that every sports game has been cancelled and people are sick of corn hole contests and 15 year old game replays...when sports contests are resumed,ESPN may or may not televise any more bass tournys....
one thing you can count on,if the bass fishermen like boyd duckett,gary klein and several others hadn't had the foresight to form MLF and break away from BASS....they would have been sitting at home this past week,still paying entry fees and getting maybe 30 hours TV coverage each year.....



Why downplay the coverage? You would figure with KSE having a lot to do with BPT that they could get a similar live coverage setup on a sports network since there are not many sports going on.

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BPT/MLF anglers are getting 6 1/2 hours TV exposure every week on Outdoor and Discovery channel and all FLW tourneys are getting 4 hours TV coverage...they are the #1 ranked outdoor TV show.......in addition all 5 days of MLF tourney are being streamed live....contrast that to BASS"s 30 hours TV coverage in a year and it's a huge advantage for MLF/BPT anglers trying to gain exposure for their sponsors......



You better throw in at least 3-4 BASS Elite events this year having live coverage on ESPN2 for 6-8hrs per day times 4 days per event. The numbers of viewers from the Eufaula event was 2.8M on that event for BASS.


the only reason they are getting this live coverage from ESPN is that every sports game has been cancelled and people are sick of corn hole contests and 15 year old game replays...when sports contests are resumed,ESPN may or may not televise any more bass tournys....
one thing you can count on,if the bass fishermen like boyd duckett,gary klein and several others hadn't had the foresight to form MLF and break away from BASS....they would have been sitting at home this past week,still paying entry fees and getting maybe 30 hours TV coverage each year.....


It doesn't matter why BASS is getting aired. They are and that's what counts

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