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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: CCTX]
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07/07/20 05:16 PM
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Davedave
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 05:18 PM
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CCTX
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: JacksonBean]
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07/07/20 06:15 PM
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Jpurdue
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You might get more distance by creating a thread talking about how to properly use a face mask than to say they don't work.
In general, in my opinion only, you have promoted not using a mask. I think you've misunderstood me completely. I'm not trying to get "distance" or convince you of anything. In my office, I show you what your options are and talk about relative risks but the decision is always yours. This is no different. Here's the American Chemical Society's Public Health Emergency Initiative snippet which is likely the most thorough and current evaluation available. The COVID-19 pandemic is currently causing a severe disruption and shortage in the global supply chain of necessary personal protective equipment (e.g., N95 respirators). The U.S. CDC has recommended use of household cloth by the general public to make cloth face coverings as a method of source control. We evaluated the filtration properties of natural and synthetic materials using a modified procedure for N95 respirator approval. Common fabrics of cotton, polyester, nylon, and silk had filtration efficiency of 5–25%, polypropylene spunbond had filtration efficiency 6–10%, and paper-based products had filtration efficiency of 10–20%. An advantage of polypropylene spunbond is that it can be simply triboelectrically charged to enhance the filtration efficiency (from 6 to >10%) without any increase in pressure (stable overnight and in humid environments). Using the filtration quality factor, fabric microstructure, and charging ability, we are able to provide an assessment of suggested fabric materials for homemade facial coverings. A summary of the results described in this manuscript is presented in Table 2, ranked by filtration quality factor, Q. Cotton, polyester, and polypropylene multilayered structures can meet or even exceed the efficiency of materials used in some medical face masks. However, the exact number of layers, basis weight, and thread-count of material will need to be considered in addition to the fluid resistance and performance under breathing. In our work (Table S1), we found that a five-layer structure of PP-4 after charging can achieve filtration efficiency ∼50%. Although the medical face masks tested here (∼19–33% filtration efficiency) have a pressure drop of roughly 16–34 Pa, the five-layer structure can achieve a higher filtration efficiency and pressure drop <10 Pa. This is particularly relevant, as there is a concern in the sealing of both disposable medical masks and cloth face coverings. We reiterate that these filtration efficiencies are only applicable if there is no leakage in the seals of the masks, as loose-fitting devices such as these coverings and medical masks do not have any gasket or tight-fitting mechanism to ensure a proper seal. The leakage of air around the seal areas is significant and can contribute to real-world exposure to aerosols.24,26 Previous reports suggest that 60% of users fail the fitting of surgical masks on first attempt.24 This risk is also carried over in cloth face coverings that do not have any special form of sealing. When designing new facial coverings for community use, it is advisible to make users aware of this risk and to design cloth face coverings with pressure drop across the covering is as low as possible (with filtration efficiency as high as possible), otherwise air contaminants (particulates, viruses, infectious droplets, etc.) will preferentially flow through gaps and leaks at the skin and cloth contact points limiting any effectiveness of filtration in a de facto form of respiratory protection. The general public should be aware of the risks of self-contamination during removal and reuse of cloth face coverings. Finally, an important distinction to make is that surgical masks are designed and intended as a form of barrier protection and provide fluid resistance for use in hospitals. The materials evaluated in this study for cloth face coverings are not intended to be used by healthcare workers or any other workers as a form of respiratory protection. Further, we did not investigate the effects of cleaning or disinfecting of the materials studied. These effects could be evaluated in future work. Personal protective equipment, such as surgical masks cleared for sale by the FDA and respiratory protection approved by NIOSH, comprise only one aspect of a hierarchy of infection prevention and control measures. The WHO and CDC recommend that other measures also be used with masks or respirators.14,39 These additional measures as well as the efficacy of cloth coverings are covered in the Supporting Information. The above reference is similar to many others that show a lack of effectiveness of most masks with HOW the general public is using them. Obviously, we should first follow the law and then whatever we each feel is in our best interest. The only public mask I've worn in the last few months was getting on a commercial flight and I wore an N95 but I also don't go to many public places. The OP says to "Just wear the mask" implying don't ask any questions but that's setting a dangerous precedent based on some very lopsided information. I respect your right to wear a mask in a car alone or when you're out at the lake fishing, etc., but just remember where your rights end and mine begin. If you want to classify me as an "anti-masker" than that's fine, though I wear one frequently. I'm more a proponent of getting educated on a topic and thinking for ourselves. Socially distance from each other during this tough time as we know that works. Oh yeah...... Wash your hands fanatically and quit touching your face. J So what are we arguing about here? You are saying cloth masks don't work very well in terms of individual protection because they don't filter very well and people generally have poor hygiene. Agree! People should wear something better than old underwear and they should clean them and take them on and off correctly. Somebody like yourself should educate folks on how to do that. Your content here makes no mention of whether or not cloth masks decrease the viral load in the environment. (So I'm assuming you may agree they at least help in that sense). If that's the case we agree again! You say you wear a mask when in public or when it's the law. Agree! The only time I wear one is when I physically cannot social distance or when it is the law. When I do that I use a new or clean mask and when I take it off I put it in a paper bag and immediately wash or sanitize my hands before I stick my fingers in my eye balls. So basically I think we agree on about everything. Even dentists actually being doctors. POW!
"Bragging may not bring happiness, but no man having caught a large fish goes home through an alley." -A.L. www.LunkerLore.com
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 06:22 PM
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rj74955
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I see a chick-fil-a date night in the works.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Emit R Detsaw]
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07/07/20 06:39 PM
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fishslime
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Good advice especially No. 2. McKinney has mandated masks in stores,etc. as of last week. Sometimes the only way to get people to do the right thing is to make them because some refused to do so no matter their station in life.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: rj74955]
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07/07/20 07:10 PM
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CCTX
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I see a chick-fil-a date night in the works.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 07:13 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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too many words for them to understand each other.
FJB
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: rj74955]
#13622483
07/07/20 07:15 PM
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WAWI
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I see a chick-fil-a date night in the works.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 07:27 PM
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Chris B
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Could some of y’all try shortening up your responses? Gonna use up all the internet.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 07:42 PM
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John175☮
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I wear a mask because it's mandatory. When I don't wear a mask the Karen and Kyle types can stay away from me.
“Do not pray for easier lives. Pray to be stronger men.†-JFK
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 07:53 PM
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hook_n_line
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Dang 4 days on a boat and people are still arguing over this [censored]. Back to the boat.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Catch25]
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07/07/20 08:14 PM
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soggybottom
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so I had been pretty neutral up until now on masks. Dont wear one but whatever, I will. So I go into the UPS store and there is a lady arguing with the other lady that works there about her not having a mask. I think wow, the customer is being an [censored]. That was until I walked up the counter with my hat over my mouth. Well she aint having it and proceeds to tell me about the state mask law and being over the top rude. Welp,then I notice she is wearing a HOMEMADE MASK! ! wth. How is that any different than putting a hat over your mouth??
pledge= fishstick
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: Jpurdue]
#13622604
07/07/20 08:23 PM
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JacksonBean
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So what are we arguing about here? That's it.... I might as well beat my head against the wall. I'll accept my defeat on the poll. J
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: JacksonBean]
#13622609
07/07/20 08:26 PM
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WAWI
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So what are we arguing about here? That's it.... I might as well beat my head against the wall. I'll accept my defeat on the poll. J It's hard to get through to the smartest man in the world. Talks to a tree is probably about as effective.
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Re: Just wear the mask
[Re: JacksonBean]
#13622611
07/07/20 08:28 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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So what are we arguing about here? That's it.... I might as well beat my head against the wall. I'll accept my defeat on the poll. J I still believe in you!
FJB
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