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 Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 08:41 PM
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fouzman
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Kathy Fennel, FLW’s president of operations, said in a statement, “As part of the Major League Fishing team, we look forward to enhancing and expanding tournament offerings to our anglers and fans.”
Of course they (Kathy) did. Because FLW couldn't do it on their own. I already told you FLW had a NPV of -$110 million.
Nothing you posted above changes anything. Your talking points, all of which are conjecture and hearsay, have repeatedly been debunked right here on this very thread. With facts.
You just keep searching for that demon that doesn't exist Big O. This is business, something you obviously understand NOTHING about.
I don't think I've ever a witnessed a person be so wrong, repeatedly, yet continue to try and convince others that he's right. Man, that must be a pathetic way to exist.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 08:44 PM
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criglizard
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Big O, here's an idea...
You seem to think that so many people care about this issue. Start a GoFundMe account to raise the money to pay back these 12 people that you think got screwed over. Add some action to your message. Otherwise, you're just a troll.
Based on how strongly you think people feel about this, you should raise that $120k in no time. I'll pitch in, just post the link.
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: fouzman]
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01/30/20 08:55 PM
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Big O Florida
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Kathy Fennel, FLW’s president of operations, said in a statement, “As part of the Major League Fishing team, we look forward to enhancing and expanding tournament offerings to our anglers and fans.”
Of course they (Kathy) did. Because FLW couldn't do it on their own. I already told you FLW had a NPV of -$110 million.
Nothing you posted above changes anything. Your talking points, all of which are conjecture and hearsay, have repeatedly been debunked right here on this very thread. With facts.
You just keep searching for that demon that doesn't exist Big O. This is business, something you obviously understand NOTHING about.
I don't think I've ever a witnessed a person be so wrong, repeatedly, yet continue to try and convince others that he's right. Man, that must be a pathetic way to exist. Perfect example of what my previous post said. Some people won’t accept what’s a public record. What’s interesting is Polaris was involved too, which indicates even more money was available to FLW. For the slow learner fouzman> Son Mark Jacobs has said in court filings that the estate of Irwin Jacobs, which includes the FLW, is $110 million in debt. Attorneys for daughter Randi Jacobs have said no accounting or audits have been shown that validate that claim. BTW - no accounting or audits - that was also sustained by the Judge
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 09:06 PM
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Ghost4BH
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How does FLW feel about airbags at the bottom of lakes, to combat lower lake levels in the times of drought? If they could install this new airbag system would you like them more?
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 09:21 PM
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SAKS
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Ok. Bottom line. Some anglers got screwed and you don't like it. You can't prove they stole the money as you claim and nobody can prove they did not(at least on this forum). Pretty much ends the argument. So in the end some anglers got screwed and you don't like it.
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 09:27 PM
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steven gillock
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SO i'M watching day 4 of the tourny on Sam Rayburn and here is a quot from FLW fishing
" We've gone over and over and over this. But OK. Once again... The FLW CUP and the FLW TOUR were not part of the acquisition by MLF.
They no longer exist. They were never purchased by MLF."
??? If this is so, what did they purchase and how is the MLF responsible ?
By the way BIg O you sound just like Josh Endsley on the chat going during the broadcast .
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 09:28 PM
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1bas
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The right thing ( in my opinion), would have been for FLW and MLF to have made an agreement during sale negotiations to deal with this issue. And it was probably talked about during the process. It is @ the very least THEFT, (in my opinion). They ( FLW) took in some funds for a tournament, that they knew was not going to happen, OR, after buying FLW, MLF decided not to honor it because they could LEGALLY , avoid it. I'm not a lawyer nor do I know what was talked about during the sale. I do believe that the fishermen who were wronged, should be able to compete in whatever event, that takes the place of the Cup, or should be paid an amount equivalent to last place money in the Cup. Once again FLW and MLF should have made provisions for this during the buyout.
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: buda13]
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01/30/20 09:37 PM
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Chris_K
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Sorry but Upshaw is not someone that has any business talking about ethics.... dude has none. I’d like to hear more about this? 
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 09:39 PM
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Bobby Milam
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If so, not only did Andrew Upshaw miss the memo about everyone accepting it and moving on, apparently he missed that personal meeting too. Actually....Andrew Upshaw specifically said in the video (that you posted!) that everyone needs to accept this, unite, and move on. But we all know you didn't watch the full video. Dude, you literally just look insane now. Do not EVER tell anyone who you really are as you will undoubtedly lose all credibility. Yes, but I don’t think he meant accept it the same way MLFLW would like everyone to, and I am sure MLF and its water carrying puppets would like nothing better, for everyone to forget it and move on. It’s not going to happen bub - People want to see and demand that MLF PAY THE ANGLERS they ripped off! I suspect MLFLW and their sponsors will be reminded of the purse snatching they committed frequently, in every forum and medium they try to occupy. Who are all these people who care so much about this? It sounds like it is a huge problem for a very small group and the majority don't care. MLF did nothing wrong. There is a system in place in this country where if the 12 feel that they are wronged then they can tell it to a jury and let them decide what happened and what needs to be done. You can not force someone who buys a company to be responsible for what that other company did wrong. If they in fact hired the same people to run the newly acquired company, it doesn't matter. If you want justice then you have to put your big boy pants on and take it up with the people responsible. Whining about it in here gets you no sympathy and just makes you look like a snowflake.
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: fouzman]
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01/30/20 09:59 PM
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buda13
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I agree the Cup going away effected some guys(friends of mine) and myself for that matter. The Costa guys & All American winner knew the Cup went away BEFORE the championship. Only the TBF winner was effected after he won. I believe they should have somehow been compensated but they knew before the event that the Cup was no more. Also this was a buy out if an organization, like it or not new ownership can change what they want to better structure an organization. I like Andrew but his facts are wrong. The Cup vs The Championship are not identical. They are not the same format. Cup was 3 days 5 fish a day. Championship is MLF style. How refreshing to have an actual FLW Tour angler jump on here and tell it how it is..... with firsthand knowledge of how it all went down instead of all the hearsay. Also worth noting he had a solid finish on Rayburn.  Keep at em Biggs!
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: steven gillock]
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01/30/20 10:36 PM
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ewskeeter
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SO i'M watching day 4 of the tourny on Sam Rayburn and here is a quot from FLW fishing
" We've gone over and over and over this. But OK. Once again... The FLW CUP and the FLW TOUR were not part of the acquisition by MLF.
They no longer exist. They were never purchased by MLF."
??? If this is so, what did they purchase and how is the MLF responsible ?
By the way BIg O you sound just like Josh Endsley on the chat going during the broadcast .
They might have said that the FLW CUP and the FLW Tour was not part of the acquisition, but several times during the tournament the MC said "He has won X# of $'s fishing with US on the FLW Tour." Several times he also called it the FLW Tour and not the FLW Pro series. He made it sound like they are one in the same. [u][/u]
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Big O Florida]
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01/30/20 10:52 PM
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RMOROTT21
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Well some have been pounding their chest bout entry’s being up don’t look like the costa southwest divi had increased today at Toledo u would think season opener would be higher
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: criglizard]
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01/30/20 10:57 PM
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Bass Anonymous
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All of FLW still exists. The same people, the same org charts, the same buildings, the same infrastructure, etc... the only thing that really changed was who’s bank account the accounts payable and receivable are managed by. MLF leadership was Involved in every part of the due diligence and knew what was in the pipeline. Someone consciously knew that a group of anglers were going to get screwed in the process of the purse snatching that was agreed upon between both parties. What MLF really did and bought after supporting and being complicit in such a tournament purse snatching is a huge PR nightmare that is not going to go away. While the tournament fishing scene is relatively small in comparison to other organized recreational sports, the overall interest in fishing and the fans is quite large... and for the most part, they will take sides and it won’t be the side of a purse snatching organization, despite all the excuses they have their puppets throw out there. Ok, but do you understand that MLF did not receive any cash from FLW? Very simple question. Keeping people, buildings, etc doesn't support your argument at all. If anything, it's respectable of MLF to maintain the entire company as is. Most acquirers don't do that. And you're right about due diligence, MLF probably did know that they could not afford to cover the liabilities that FLW created for themselves. But this supports my point, not yours. Oddly, it looks like you've somehow created more MLF fans since you started here. Most people don't like to associate with ignorance. +1
Do not tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish.
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Re: Andrew Upshaw calls out the purse snatchers
[Re: Bobby Milam]
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01/30/20 11:04 PM
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Big O Florida
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If so, not only did Andrew Upshaw miss the memo about everyone accepting it and moving on, apparently he missed that personal meeting too. Actually....Andrew Upshaw specifically said in the video (that you posted!) that everyone needs to accept this, unite, and move on. But we all know you didn't watch the full video. Dude, you literally just look insane now. Do not EVER tell anyone who you really are as you will undoubtedly lose all credibility. Yes, but I don’t think he meant accept it the same way MLFLW would like everyone to, and I am sure MLF and its water carrying puppets would like nothing better, for everyone to forget it and move on. It’s not going to happen bub - People want to see and demand that MLF PAY THE ANGLERS they ripped off! I suspect MLFLW and their sponsors will be reminded of the purse snatching they committed frequently, in every forum and medium they try to occupy. Who are all these people who care so much about this? It sounds like it is a huge problem for a very small group and the majority don't care. MLF did nothing wrong. There is a system in place in this country where if the 12 feel that they are wronged then they can tell it to a jury and let them decide what happened and what needs to be done. You can not force someone who buys a company to be responsible for what that other company did wrong. If they in fact hired the same people to run the newly acquired company, it doesn't matter. If you want justice then you have to put your big boy pants on and take it up with the people responsible. Whining about it in here gets you no sympathy and just makes you look like a snowflake. It’s a shame there are so many people in this world that have such a weak or broken moral compass. They are seemingly of the opinion if something didn’t affect them directly then it’s not their problem and they shouldn’t be hearing about it and have no care whatsoever that it did happen to anyone as long as it wasn’t them. This poster seems to be just that. Here is an alternative idea, if MLF doesn’t like the negative publicity that comes from being dishonest and unethical, perhaps they can pay lawyers to go after people, and get a jury to stop those people from exposing the stuff they want to keep hidden from the general public or more importantly the people who pay them their salaries. Personally, I think the repetitional hit and loss of trustworthiness Imposed on MLF by having their lack of moral integrity regularly publicized is far more valuable to those who have been wronged, and much more costly to MLF in the long run.
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