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what percent of FLW and BASS opens are professional fishermen? #13369448 12/11/19 09:48 PM
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my guesstimate is that about 25% of the fishermen from each circuit make their living from fishing income...remainder have family money or jobs that allow them enough time off to fish the tournaments...
my guesstimate on the current BASS elite series is possibly 50% derive their income from fishing whereas MLF pros is probably close to 100% who earn their living from fishing/sponsors/speaking engagements etc...

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I think you're right I bet bass is 50%or above now with guides and additions but I bet the FLW costa is lower. I know bunches of guys that fish Costa and they're working stiffs like me, who donate nearly all available funds to fish.

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I think you're probably way high on the Costas and Opens. Every tournament is loaded with really good locals that bail off in there for a chance at a big payday.

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BASS will be higher % this year, hell there will be more talent in the opens than in the elite series for a few seasons until it all shakes out. I fished the Everstarts (former costas) as a non boater and I drew more than one who "thought" they were pros rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Legend LE-195
BASS will be higher % this year, hell there will be more talent in the opens than in the elite series for a few seasons until it all shakes out. I fished the Everstarts (former costas) as a non boater and I drew more than one who "thought" they were pros rolleyes


Drew a guy in an open years back. We traveled 2.5 hours from takeoff to fish an area for 30 minutes. No bites for either of us and the guy gave up after that.

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Originally Posted by Brent S
Originally Posted by Legend LE-195
BASS will be higher % this year, hell there will be more talent in the opens than in the elite series for a few seasons until it all shakes out. I fished the Everstarts (former costas) as a non boater and I drew more than one who "thought" they were pros rolleyes


Drew a guy in an open years back. We traveled 2.5 hours from takeoff to fish an area for 30 minutes. No bites for either of us and the guy gave up after that.
sounds exactly like my very first day as a co angler in BASS.


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All have "Pro" ego's, about 40% have pro talent

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I thought the jersey made you a pro. Seems everyone out there has a jersey.


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Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.


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Originally Posted by H2O Seeker
Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.


how about this for a definition...."who earn their living from fishing/sponsors/speaking engagements etc"...

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Originally Posted by beartrap
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Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.


how about this for a definition...."who earn their living from fishing/sponsors/speaking engagements etc"...



Yes sir thank you and I did fully read your OP. However based on what I understand even guys who fish Elite Series, BPT, and now FLW Pro Circuits have side gigs or businesses unrelated to the outdoors industry that maintain their steady cash flow. Their sole source of revenue generation is not derived from tournament placement, sponsorships, appearances, lectures, sponsorships, and endorsements.


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If I was self employed, and wore a jersey?
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Originally Posted by rj74955
I think you're probably way high on the Costas and Opens. Every tournament is loaded with really good locals that bail off in there for a chance at a big payday.

AKA "Zip Code fishermen" or "Cherrypickers". Never stray more than a couple hundred miles from home but fish any and every tourney they can that has a potential for a good check


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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
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Originally Posted by Legend LE-195
BASS will be higher % this year, hell there will be more talent in the opens than in the elite series for a few seasons until it all shakes out. I fished the Everstarts (former costas) as a non boater and I drew more than one who "thought" they were pros rolleyes


Drew a guy in an open years back. We traveled 2.5 hours from takeoff to fish an area for 30 minutes. No bites for either of us and the guy gave up after that.
sounds exactly like my very first day as a co angler in BASS.

Had a similar experience with a wannabe "pro". I was fishing in a FLW Stren/Everstart/Rayovac/Costa as a co-angler when my boater hooked a decent fish on light line. He brought the fish to the boat even though it wasn't ready, and called for the net. Before I could even get the net in the water, he got broke off. Naturally, I got the blame, and he pouted and refused to fish the rest of the day


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100%... Since the profession of bass fishing doesn't have one governing body that sets a true definition... Dan


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Originally Posted by outfishdya
I thought the jersey made you a pro. Seems everyone out there has a jersey.

roflmao

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Originally Posted by H2O Seeker
Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.



Pro - earns living from fishing derby’s and fishing related stuff
Wanna be Pro - wears jersey to fish local derby’s and when fun fishing and while attending fishing shows and every chance they get. Wanna be pros are good for laughs and that’s about it.


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Originally Posted by Frank the Tank
Originally Posted by H2O Seeker
Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.



Pro - earns living from fishing derby’s and fishing related stuff
Wanna be Pro - wears jersey to fish local derby’s and when fun fishing and while attending fishing shows and every chance they get. Wanna be pros are good for laughs and that’s about it.



but the "Wannabe" as you call them are he future of the sport

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Originally Posted by Douglas J
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Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.



Pro - earns living from fishing derby’s and fishing related stuff
Wanna be Pro - wears jersey to fish local derby’s and when fun fishing and while attending fishing shows and every chance they get. Wanna be pros are good for laughs and that’s about it.



but the "Wannabe" as you call them are he future of the sport

#grow#the#sport


Some - yes. Most - nope


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Originally Posted by Frank the Tank
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Define "PRO". Tough to lay out percentagees unless that is defined. There are a lot of 'Pro's' who are all show. Lot of money and flashy gear but will backlash a winch.



Pro - earns living from fishing derby’s and fishing related stuff
Wanna be Pro - wears jersey to fish local derby’s and when fun fishing and while attending fishing shows and every chance they get. Wanna be pros are good for laughs and that’s about it.



but the "Wannabe" as you call them are he future of the sport

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Some - yes. Most - nope

Disagree - The future of the sport lies with those who choose to educate others and invest in the younger generation(s).


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I think it’s HS fishing. That’s the future. So many good anglers.


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Originally Posted by Frank the Tank
I think it’s HS fishing. That’s the future. So many good anglers.


Completely agree if talking about bass fishing and eventually tournaments but just the sport of fishing it goes a lot deeper than that. Those talented HS anglers did not get that way without a mentor investing in them. Knowing how to operate touch screens and growing up in the interweb generation doesn't hurt either.


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The future of the sport is being taught how to look the part. That is about all. Seems to me like more and more HS and College kids are somehow towing around $70k boats on the back of a jacked up truck with $10k worth of graphs.


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I think there is similarity between high school fishing and these travel baseball,soccer,cheerleader competitions in that they are sports competitions between kids with affluent parents...I know of parents who carry their kids all over the south to compete in what is labeled as "all star" competition but the reality is that the only competitors are those kids whose parents can afford to pay the entry fees and afford the cost of motels,meals and travels to the games...
there's a ton of parents out there who became soccer fans only because their kids were participating in the sport......stands to reason that a lot of parents and their kids are going to become bass tournament fans as this sport continues to grow...
another factor is that on a national basis,a lot of kids are losing interest in playing football and high schools are not fielding teams which is going to free up more kids for fishing teams...….

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Originally Posted by outfishdya
I thought the jersey made you a pro. Seems everyone out there has a jersey.

New boat and truck , jersey instant pro bass fisherman.


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Originally Posted by Dan21XRS
100%... Since the profession of bass fishing doesn't have one governing body that sets a true definition... Dan


There is only one governing body that matters. The IRS. By IRS rules, I would bet less than 20% fishing Elite, Opens, and FLW would not be declared a hobby. Much less for the other levels.


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Originally Posted by TinRangerJim
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I think you're probably way high on the Costas and Opens. Every tournament is loaded with really good locals that bail off in there for a chance at a big payday.

AKA "Zip Code fishermen" or "Cherrypickers". Never stray more than a couple hundred miles from home but fish any and every tourney they can that has a potential for a good check


Sounds like smart fisherman to me. That is why you fish a tournament to get a check.

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Anyone who calls a tournament a Derby is definitely a pro...

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Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
Anyone who calls a tournament a Derby is definitely a pro...


...or old AF.


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I thought the jersey made you a pro. Seems everyone out there has a jersey.

New boat and truck , jersey instant pro bass fisherman.

I am asking for a jersey for Christmas now.


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Originally Posted by H2O Seeker
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Anyone who calls a tournament a Derby is definitely a pro...


...or old AF.



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