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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: donothin]
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11/11/19 08:04 PM
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fishslime
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I was wrong also. Seems that the first two years of Obama's term was controlled by dems, next 4 years house by dems and senate by repubs and last two years both by repubs. Obama was elected largely on health care reform. The people wanted it. However, he tried to make it a bipartisan deal with Republicans involved - big mistake. They had no notion of cooperating, and the Dems took it off the table. That's when the insurance companies took it over, and we have what we have today. There has to be an optional viable alternative available for those who want it and need it. It's the only way to keep the insurance companies honest. Socialized medicine is not acceptable in this country at this time, however, we do have a form of it in place - the insurance companies are the socialists who set all the prices and standards of care. Our system allows hospitals and insurers to be for-profit entities who must make money for their stockholders. I have a problem with that but realize it isn't going to change. Currently, there seems to be a lot of public sentiment for healthcare reform, but everyone makes such a political thing out of it that we all lose the real focus of the issue - Affordable Healthcare. It's a big problem and to solve it will require some sacrifices by everyone- especially some politicians who need to listen to their electorate instead of their lobbies.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
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11/11/19 08:08 PM
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Tallgrass05
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It's amazing how so many other advanced countries have figured out how to deliver universal healthcare to their citizens for far less money then we spend per capita on healthcare.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: T Bird]
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11/11/19 08:09 PM
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People wanted it? Those that pay wanted affordable healthcare (The A in ACA), most Dem supporters wanted healthcare someone else pays for.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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11/11/19 08:10 PM
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ReelBusy
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It's amazing how so many other advanced countries have figured out how to deliver universal healthcare to their citizens for far less money then we spend per capita on healthcare. Try looking at a country comparison objectively and it's not so amazing.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: ReelBusy]
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11/11/19 08:13 PM
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fishslime
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It's amazing how so many other advanced countries have figured out how to deliver universal healthcare to their citizens for far less money then we spend per capita on healthcare. Try looking at a country comparison objectively and it's not so amazing. Post a source, and we'll take a look at it.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: fishslime]
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11/11/19 08:17 PM
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ReelBusy
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It's amazing how so many other advanced countries have figured out how to deliver universal healthcare to their citizens for far less money then we spend per capita on healthcare. Try looking at a country comparison objectively and it's not so amazing. Post a source, and we'll take a look at it. www.google.com
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: Tallgrass05]
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11/11/19 08:22 PM
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It's amazing how so many other advanced countries have figured out how to deliver universal healthcare to their citizens for far less money then we spend per capita on healthcare. and yet no one in those countries like it. I've talked to many of our folks at our Canada branches. They would trade with us in a minute if they could.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
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11/11/19 08:29 PM
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JackMason
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Read the comment section of this article.... Thomas nails it.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
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11/11/19 09:59 PM
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So these hospitals get to make up any price that they want and then sue you for however much they want. Sounds fair. It sounds ridiculous but that's exactly what's happening. I paid almost $24,000 in premiums last year. On top of that I have a $500 deductible and a $50 copay. The hospital charges me & the insurance company $50 for a Tylenol and my insurance pays an "adjusted" amount of 50 cents. Then, the hospital tries to collect the balance from me. It's reprehensible.
This thread needs more cowbell ...
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: T Bird]
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11/11/19 11:12 PM
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Texan Til I Die
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Just so you'll know, here's the numbers for three of the nation's top health insurers.
2019 Q2 profits (this is for a single quarter) Cigna $34.4 billion CVS $63.4 billion UnitedHealth $60.6 billion
"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: Texan Til I Die]
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11/11/19 11:50 PM
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ReelBusy
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Just so you'll know, here's the numbers for three of the nation's top health insurers.
2019 Q2 profits (this is for a single quarter) Cigna $34.4 billion CVS $63.4 billion UnitedHealth $60.6 billion Dems thought it was a good move forcing insurance companies to spend 80% on healthcare costs but the companies quickly figured out how to make a bigger pie. Charge more, spend more, keep more.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: Icepick]
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11/11/19 11:53 PM
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ReelBusy
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So these hospitals get to make up any price that they want and then sue you for however much they want. Sounds fair. It sounds ridiculous but that's exactly what's happening. I paid almost $24,000 in premiums last year. On top of that I have a $500 deductible and a $50 copay. The hospital charges me & the insurance company $50 for a Tylenol and my insurance pays an "adjusted" amount of 50 cents. Then, the hospital tries to collect the balance from me. It's reprehensible. I was thinking all a patient is legally obligated to pay is the contract amount (after coinsurance, deductibles etc) covered by the insurance company, not the initial amount charged by the provider.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: Texan Til I Die]
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11/12/19 01:34 AM
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Just so you'll know, here's the numbers for three of the nation's top health insurers.
2019 Q2 profits (this is for a single quarter) Cigna $34.4 billion CVS $63.4 billion UnitedHealth $60.6 billion I don't know where you got those numbers but they are completely wrong. No company on the planet makes 60 billion a quarter. I'm not saying they don't make a lot of money, but they don't make anywhere near that much money.
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Re: Disturbing Trend
[Re: Bigbob_FTW]
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11/12/19 01:40 AM
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fishslime
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It's amazing how so many other advanced countries have figured out how to deliver universal healthcare to their citizens for far less money then we spend per capita on healthcare. and yet no one in those countries like it. I've talked to many of our folks at our Canada branches. They would trade with us in a minute if they could. Can't imagine no one likes it or they would have made a change by now. They might trade for it until they have to pay for it.
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