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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: Uncle Zeek] #13310058 10/13/19 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle Zeek
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Just mulling this over in my head. Is this a bucket of worms or a lucrative income generator? You would have to buy say a $200K home 3 or 4 bedrooms in good shape. Zillow says on average you should get $1750/mo. rent for this. So like $21K in rent you would receive for the year. Roughly $5K for taxes subtracted leaves $16K. Subtract $1500 for insurance on the house leaves $14,500. Subtract $4500 for a "maintenance fund". Leaves $10K yr. That is $833 per month income.

Am I missing anything in this equation? Anyone else do this?


You're leaving out interest, unless you plan to do this as a cash purchase. Even then, you should allow yourself an interest factor for the use of your cash - when it's tied up in the house, nobody is paying you for using that money. Here's a handy amortization calculator that I like to use:

https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/mortgages/loan-calculator.aspx

Assuming for the sake of argument a 30 year $200K mortgage at 5% interest and no down payment (and ignoring any PMI/MIP that might normally be charged), the payment is about $1,073. The interest is over $800 per month for several years.

Termite service contract, lawn care ... if the tenant is supposed to mow the lawn, just wait for the notice from the city that you're being cited for an overgrown yard. If a realtor brings the tenant, you're almost certainly going to pay a commission or finders fee.

With all that said, if you can purchase a house for the right price, then renting makes alot of sense. Also remember to appropriately value your time spent on the property. One good rule of thumb someone taught me long ago is that your cost of insurance and property taxes should not be more than 1/3rd of your rent. So the example numbers you're giving would make sense.


Good points Zeek, but I was thinking instead of having $200K sitting in a savings account making 1.90% annualy, invest in buying a rental property. For income generation the return is higher on a rental property but from what everyone seems to be saying is that it is still a dice roll with headaches of bad tenants, etc. Thanks.


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: ToasterWEyes] #13310062 10/13/19 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ToasterWEyes
Rental property worked out great for me. Bought the house for $65k cash in terrible shape. Gutted it and fixed it up on my days off spending a little shy of $40k. Rented it for 4 years without any major issues @ $1150/month. Sold it 3 months ago for $205k to fund another property purchase. I know there are horror stories, but it does work out sometimes.
I also think it helps a lot if you can do the work yourself. I worked for a land lord in Lubbock while going to school doing make ready and flipping homes and learned a ton. Good luck!


I can do a lot of work myself, electrical, plumbing,etc. I worked for a housing contractor (uncle) for my teen years building new houses. But, I don't want to spend my retirement days working on them Good info though, thanks.


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: Roller22] #13310064 10/13/19 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Roller22
Meet with a gentleman weekly for breakfast. He owns 26 rentals in the $40-$80K range. Most of his homes are 2-1 or 3-1 and around 1100 square feet. He started with one house 11 years ago and when he had equity bought another. 12 of his houses are paid off and next year 2 more will be. He is always looking for new investment properties. His latest idea is a tiny home subdivision in a rural setting.

It works but there are issues that sometimes arise. He buys when he can make 10-20% on his investment, anything less than 10% return he will pass. I've learned alot from him but currently own only 1 rental.

I'm currently looking at VRBO or AirBnB type homes. Something I can lease to corporations or insurance companies for extended periods.


Interesting. 10% return would be great.


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: RedRanger] #13310068 10/13/19 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRanger
Just go to Fair park in Dallas or Stop Six area in Fort Worth. Pick up a house for 20K, put 20K in it and then get it set up for Section 8 housing.

They take good care of the property since they are getting free housing, and don't want to loose their vouchers


I understand what you are saying but this feels dirty. smile


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: Fishin' Nut] #13310070 10/13/19 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishin' Nut
You have to think outside the box. A 225k house in Alabama, property taxes would cost you around $700 a year.


Good point. But it would have to rent out easily. I'd have to survey the area statistics etc. before making the purchase.


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: WAWI] #13310073 10/13/19 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WAWI
One tenant of mine is a school teacher, one a lawyer, one a retired colonel. Average time in house almost 3 years. I think if you get correct people renting and invest your money in decent areas that are desirable and growing you are gonna be fine. It's like any investment, there is some risk and reward. Go to stop six, get a property for nothing and then by some miracle find a good tenant you can make a nice return but like junk bonds or speculative stock you can get burned. Stick to quality areas and be highly selective on who you rent to and your percentages go down but things are alot more stable and predictable. If someone poured cement down the drains or cooked meth in your house you did it all wrong.



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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: Bob Davis] #13310074 10/13/19 03:54 PM
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Back in the 80's we had 66 rental units, all leveraged to the hilt and had 80% LTV loans. It was a negative cash flow but we were looking for the high appreciation in value TX was experiencing at the time. The economy went south and we lost them all.
Spend some time learning the market in the area you plan to buy in. Buy an under valued house, fix it up, refill and rent it. Make sure your tenants understand your recourse if the dont pay on time, and it's not bad.


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: DavidWhatley] #13310077 10/13/19 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidWhatley
Back in the 80's we had 66 rental units, all leveraged to the hilt and had 80% LTV loans. It was a negative cash flow but we were looking for the high appreciation in value TX was experiencing at the time. The economy went south and we lost them all.
Spend some time learning the market in the area you plan to buy in. Buy an under valued house, fix it up, refill and rent it. Make sure your tenants understand your recourse if the dont pay on time, and it's not bad.


Thanks David, solid advice.


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Re: Buying and renting out a house questions [Re: RedRanger] #13310086 10/13/19 04:14 PM
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Guy told me the only people he rents to are illegals. Says they pay cash and are never late very rarely do they complain. They just want to stay under the radar. Makes a lot of sense really.


I have seen quite the opposite, they will move many into a house and basically destroy it. If you have a ghetto rent house then they may be a good fit.


Derrick won’t be happy but you are correct. My friend buys old homes in Ennis. I think some are even mobile homes. He’s retired and I think he has about nine low end properties.

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A friend of mine bought a house on Broken Bow in Oklahoma and rents it out through VRBO or AirBnB for $400 per night. He reserves it for him and his family when they want to use it and has an agent handle it the rest of the time. Seems to be a good situation, albeit your initial investment is higher than a typical rent house.


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I have a few rentals in the Arlington area. We paid $180k for the house we bought earlier this year and put 20% down @ 5% interest. The payment on the 30 yr loan came to $1150 and we rent the house for $1500. Then calculate repairs, vacancies, and maintenance. It doesn't leave much profit. If you have to hire a handyman to do the work, that will further cut into profits. I do most of the work myself so that saves me money. I've been fortunate to have very good tenants so far so I've had no issues with major tenant related damage or evictions.

Rental property can be a source of extra income but it can also be a lot of work. The trick is to find the right property, in the right area, at the right price, and the right tenant in order to make money. It gets a little overwhelming at times and if you can't handle stress well, I would look for something else to invest in.

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Originally Posted by Bob Davis
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Rental property worked out great for me. Bought the house for $65k cash in terrible shape. Gutted it and fixed it up on my days off spending a little shy of $40k. Rented it for 4 years without any major issues @ $1150/month. Sold it 3 months ago for $205k to fund another property purchase. I know there are horror stories, but it does work out sometimes.
I also think it helps a lot if you can do the work yourself. I worked for a land lord in Lubbock while going to school doing make ready and flipping homes and learned a ton. Good luck!


I can do a lot of work myself, electrical, plumbing,etc. I worked for a housing contractor (uncle) for my teen years building new houses. But, I don't want to spend my retirement days working on them Good info though, thanks.


Yes sir, I get that. I work in oil and gas and am sometimes out of town 2-3 months at a pop. I had better things to do when I got home for a few days than mess with that house. Tenants were great, they just kept a list of items that needed attention. I never had anything major come up....
But ultimately, that's the reason I considered selling out and when I checked into real estate prices and learned what my profit would be it was a done deal. Good luck to you!


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Originally Posted by Bob Davis
I was thinking instead of having $200K sitting in a savings account making 1.90% annualy, invest in buying a rental property. For income generation the return is higher on a rental property but from what everyone seems to be saying is that it is still a dice roll with headaches of bad tenants, etc. Thanks.


Right, sorry should've been a bit more clear. You want to ensure that your net after-tax return is high enough that you're truly earning more than you could get on passive things like CDs. If you have no mortgage payment, then your profit margin should be very high.


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I've thought long and hard about it a bunch of times. I always end up deciding not to do it. Just too many horror stories with renters. When you start to factor in your time managing the people and the maintenance issues that 4.4% you think you are making shrinks very quickly. Easier ways to make similar of better returns with far less work. (Like just about any deep discount index fund from Vanguard).


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Originally Posted by WAWI
It's not bad. The insurance is less than that, the rent might be more, your maintenance won't be near that much most years. Property taxes may be more. You can always talk yourself out of making money. I generally wouldn't suggest financing one.


This!

I have 6 rentals. None of them were financed. None of them cost me more than $80k each. All of them bring in a minimum of $1000 a month. The key to this is to use the cheapest carpets and buy paint by the 5 gallon buckets on clearance. Haha. I spend around $700-$800 on a house between tenants on average. If the house is nasty. Sometimes I can have a carpet cleaning service come out for a few hundred and then touch up some rooms with a fresh coat of “rental white” paint.

My tenants are looking for 3b2b2car in a certain school district. Or closer to work. They are not looking for a Taj Mahal. The money makers are cheap to buy and easy to keep occupied.

Don’t over think it.


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