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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: CCTX] #13306329 10/09/19 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CCTX
Tournament rules have wording to follow state and water body rules and regulations. If that specific water body in that state allows for the sinking of brushpiles; then you may do so prior to the off the water/off limits time period.
For most major tournaments, that is 28-30 days. The off limits period includes recreational swimming, scuba diving, being a passenger in a friend's boat, etc, etc, etc.

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This was a Costa tournament, the only off limits are the evening before the tournament. And that dude has owned Grand Lake for several years.

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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306334 10/09/19 02:26 PM
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Yes, in this specific case, it's been reported that the older brush piles weren't holding fish and had been pounded all summer. So, close to the tournament day he put out some very green (still had leaves on them on tournament day) brush piles.

Within the rules, but yes, locals have an advantage in tournaments

I don't think brush piles should be the debate here, but if the Costa off limits period is only 12 hours, maybe that is what should be discussed.


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Originally Posted by CCTX
Tournament rules have wording to follow state and water body rules and regulations. If that specific water body in that state allows for the sinking of brushpiles; then you may do so prior to the off the water/off limits time period.
For most major tournaments, that is 28-30 days. The off limits period includes recreational swimming, scuba diving, being a passenger in a friend's boat, etc, etc, etc.

From American Bass Tournament rules (chumming is prohibited. Baiting a hole is chumming)
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From the 2019 Elite Classic Rules

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Man thats it... I am getting me some deer hide lures and going to town! I will be bigger than AP Bassin!

Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306346 10/09/19 02:39 PM
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Only natural lures allowed are pork rind and pork strips.

Deer skin will get you disqualified.

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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306560 10/09/19 06:33 PM
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Is it ok to bait your brush piles with live crawdads? Asking for a friend.

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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: ShortDog918] #13306566 10/09/19 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortDog918
Is it ok to bait your brush piles with live crawdads? Asking for a friend.


No! That would be "chumming".


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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: joebass2] #13306568 10/09/19 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by joebass2
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how many tournament trails have a rule against
putting out brushpiles?
putting dog food in a brushpile?


In my opinion, the purpose of putting dog food in a brush pile would be to attract fish to a location unknown by other fishermen, so it creates an advantage that's frowned upon. On the other hand, the purpose of merely sinking a brush pile would be to attract fish to a location unknown by other fishermen. See the difference?


So joe says there is no difference, but there is, unless it's against the law or tournament rules to sink brushpiles. In that case, there would be no difference.


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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: fouzman] #13306571 10/09/19 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fouzman
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Is it ok to bait your brush piles with live crawdads? Asking for a friend.


No! That would be "chumming".



So would it be a red flag if someone were purchasing massive amounts of crawdads from a bait shop?

Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: ShortDog918] #13306575 10/09/19 06:46 PM
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Is it ok to bait your brush piles with live crawdads? Asking for a friend.


No! That would be "chumming".



So would it be a red flag if someone were purchasing massive amounts of crawdads from a bait shop?


In my opinion, yes. Someone was baiting their new, green brushpiles with crawfish prior to the Grand Lake event? Is that what you're alleging?


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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: fouzman] #13306580 10/09/19 06:48 PM
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Is it ok to bait your brush piles with live crawdads? Asking for a friend.


No! That would be "chumming".



So would it be a red flag if someone were purchasing massive amounts of crawdads from a bait shop?


In my opinion, yes. Someone was baiting their new, green brushpiles with crawfish prior to the Grand Lake event? Is that what you're alleging?



I'm not alleging anything. Just asking questions.

Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306599 10/09/19 07:05 PM
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Step 1. Drop a lot of brush.
Step 2. Take a 5 gallon bucket and load it with crawfish and crawfish food.
Step 3. Poke a small hole in the bucket for crawfish to come and go as they please from the brush.
Step 4. Fish brush with crawfish imitating bait.
Step 4. Win

Is the how it works?

Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306663 10/09/19 08:05 PM
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I have no issue with folks planting brush. It's a lot of work and doesn't guarantee success; just putting a pile out doesn't mean the fish will flock to it and you still have to catch them. And, it's only a matter of time before side imaging finds the new ones and the process has to start all over. Hard to stay in front of it for long.


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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306681 10/09/19 08:26 PM
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my understanding of "chumming" is that it's a saltwater technique that involves dumping baitfish or cut bait out of a boat WHILE YOU ARE FISHING to attract fish to come near your boat and bite your bait you are fishing with.....
I can see where that might be unsportsman like but it's really no different in principal than someone using a swimbait to attract a bass then quickly following up with a senko to catch the fish....
I don't think someone putting dog food in a brushpile prior to a tournament should be labeled as chumming....

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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306741 10/09/19 09:31 PM
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Hell no.

Have done that before for crappie up on Livingston.


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Re: is putting brushpiles in a lake cheating? [Re: beartrap] #13306948 10/10/19 01:36 AM
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I have no issue with putting brush out.

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