I used to look at things like this as well. The real issue is that other manufacturers have moved on from old drivetrains and Toyota hasn't. Buddy at work has a 5.0 with the 10-speed and gets low-mid 20s mpg. But if you look at a 2010 5.0, then yeah it's not going to be any better than a Tundra. But new transmissions and axle options have changed the efficiency game for half ton pickups and Toyota is way behind. My Ram Ecodiesel averages 24 in town, 30-ish on the hwy (as high as 34-35 at times), for about 28 mpg overall average (calculated at the pump with fuelly app). My old 2004 Silverado only got 16 mpg, so I fully agree that Toyota wasn't worse than anything else a decade ago. But that's just not the case anymore.

I also don't think anyone was suggesting another half ton would save $6k per year in fuel unless you're just driving crazy miles. But the savings do add up.

Pro= it's a truck
Con=it's a Toyota

Those may be the best words of advice I have seen on here in a LONG time. If you see yourself driving it long after the payments have stopped, I could not agree more.

I've had two Tundras with the 5.7. It is fast and pulls my Champion up the mountains at 80 mph so no need for anything stronger. I think it rides well and I paid $36500 out the door with everything including a 100000 mile Toyota warranty, tax and license. Mileage sucks but resale beats any brand out there. Mine is a 2015 and I could sell it for $26000 today with 61000 miles on it. Never had any sort of mechanical issue on either one. I had a levelling lift and bigger tires put on it and I think is looks as good as I need it to look. They are reliable, strong and the resale offsets any fuel costs plus a lot.

There is no right or wrong answer. Just go buy one.

I wouldn’t let anyone on here pick my vehicle out for me. Y’all can’t even stay out of jail on hunting trips for Pete’s sake.

Way more roomy and better riding than a Ford. Gas and a little outdated console are the negatives

Buy what YOU like. Opinions are many and most (not all) that comment have little or no experience in what they dislike. YOU have to pay for it and drive it.

Dinosaurs got better mileage. Never had much of reliability issue out of F150 driving them about 180K each.

Geez sounds like most of these cats should be driving a Prius since they are obsessed with gas mileage.

Olds like to drive fords
Olds are notoriously cheap
Olds like f150’s because they are safe and slow.

Mine will run circles around you pos.

I don’t like tundras. Never was impressed driving someone else’s or riding in one. Never had any reliability issues with fords except an occasional O2 sensor that went bad. The most powerful of the regularly produced half tons on the market (6.2 for and Chevy not included) is gonna be the ecoboost. An ecoboost will run circles around a tundra or most half tons on the market for that matter. I like the look of the new chevys as well. Go drive them all and decide what you like, but I’ve never been wowed by a tundra. I’d hazard to say parts for scheduled maintenance like tune ups and brakes are probably more expensive than an American vehicle as well, but I could be wrong.

Tundras are American. Made in Tx and more US part content than most. Yes you can get a 10 speed on a Ford and get better mileage but deal with the constant shifting and suspect reliability. No thanks I will keep my Tundra. Fords are what caused me to go Toyota. My brother's and neighbor's Fords are both newer models not decades old. Too many variables in mpgs to compare real world. Driving habits, lifts, tires, etc. Diesels should not be part of this discussion. MPGs are just one part of the equation. Add in cost of diesel, maintenance costs, and upfront cost. Diesels should only be considered for towing heavy loads often and longevity. Plus Dodge is not known for reliability.

Well there is lots of odd misinformation being spread around.

Ford's 10-speed and Ram's 8-speed have both proven to be very reliable. Toyota being behind in technology doesn't make them inherently more reliable.

My Ram ED was $33k out the door brand new (TT&L included). It does have the added benefit of towing loads well and good durability, but to throw it out for excessive maintenance costs and up front costs or the cost of the fuel is insane, especially compared to the Toyota, which costs a small fortune for maintenance. Or to reply like icepick and say, "you should just be driving a prius" is also not a sensible reply to, "yeah you can save $2k per year in fuel by driving something that isn't a gas hog." Spending $2k per year just so you can say, "well my truck is more truck because it drinks gas" is just irrational.

My dad has a Tundra. I have plenty of experience driving it empty, towing, etc. It's a fine truck. But the interior is dated, the drivetrain is ancient, and I don't personally think it tows any better than any other half ton. They're all very capable these days. Chevy and Ford aren't putting out models with 6,000 lb tow ratings anymore. Everything is 8k-11k lbs and is more than enough for most half-ton needs. I have driven a 2018 F-150 as a loaner when my truck got hit, and my 2016 Ram has 61k trouble-free miles on it. Both are considerably better vehicles than my dad's 2014 Tundra, and the Tundra hasn't changed much since then. If they'd catch up with interiors and drivetrains, they'd be fine. But they're stuck in the stone age and the owners pay for it at the pump and they're not getting any purchase discounts for the old technology, so I'm just not sure where it makes sense unless you have a truck you don't put many miles on and you don't want it to ever break down. If that's the case, the Tundra is fantastic. Otherwise, I just see the F-150 and Ram 1500 as better choices. But both brands have spotted reliability histories and I don't fault anyone for just picking something they know will run forever. You just have to be able to see the other side of the argument as well.

I think you buy what you like and get the best bang for buck and warranty.

That makes more sense to me than listening to all the gum flapping.