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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: jvc58dke]
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07/23/19 12:34 AM
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MechaMinnow
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Funny cuz I'm opposite. Done with braid except at Falcon. Love flouro. San Diego jam knot all day. All knots
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: mossyback75]
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07/23/19 12:37 AM
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Neal G
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I think what most people fail to understand is that fluoro is ultra brittle and will shatter due to shock such as a backlash or stretch such as pulling hard on a snag. While the line doesnt break during this shatter (a lot of times) the line is basically ruined. If you looked at that section under a microscope you would see that its structural integrity is highly compromised. This is why so many are breaking off during hook sets. This is also why you see pros respooling on the fly if a minnow so much as touches their line. 100%
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: Neal G]
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07/23/19 12:40 AM
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MechaMinnow
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That's garbage. Tie a decent knot. Inspect your line. Quit backlashing. That kinks the line every time
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: MechaMinnow]
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07/23/19 12:45 AM
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grout-scout
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That's garbage. Tie a decent knot. Inspect your line. Quit backlashing. That kinks the line every time I totally agree, but name 1 person that purposely backlashes.
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: grout-scout]
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07/23/19 12:49 AM
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MechaMinnow
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Nobody does it on purpose. Learn your reel. Love the "I can backlash toilet paper" signature I just got a new reel and the playing with controls is gonna be my first 10 mins on the water/all damn day.
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: RedRaider3933]
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07/23/19 12:59 AM
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ReelSlow
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OH REALLY, user error huh? I bought 3 batches of FLouro and each one broke about 1 to 1.5 ft above the knot. 15, 17 qnd 20 lb spools NOT of the same batch. It was just NOT good line for me, so I gave it up for good and went back to McCoys. YOU tell me what I was doing wrong. It wasn't breaking in the knot, it was breaking above the knot. One broke on the 2nd cast. I think the MOST casts I got our of using it was 9, so I will not use it again. This was on 3 different purchase, not all at once. SO never again. Nuff said.
Tight lines, keep safe and good luck.
Thad Rains Well maybe the way you tied the knot on all 3 batches created bad spots above all 3 knots. There are plenty of knots you can tie with mono that will weaken and cause abrasion to flouro above the knot as you cinch it down. I wanna watch Thad tie a knot and cause abrasion 12 - 18 " above the knot.
Last edited by ReelSlow; 07/23/19 01:00 AM.
GOD is good!
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: ReelSlow]
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07/23/19 01:05 AM
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MechaMinnow
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He's doing it wrong, whatever knot he's tying
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: Jake Shannon(Skeet4Life)]
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07/23/19 01:16 AM
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ReelSlow
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Name the last Pro Tournament won on Mono......... Wonder what most of the guides use??? Ill wait for that as well, if you have issues with Floro its because your are doing something wrong or have faulty line. Name the last PGA Tour Pro that won a tournament using an off the shelf driver? Most of us aren't pros, or guides, get a break on price or get it free or get paid to use it. Some of us don't have elite casting skills , most of us can't afford to have 12 rods on the deck to choose from when our backlash kink causes a known problem, most of us are on a budget and hang up and destroy 1/2 a spool from time to time. Some of us want to catch a few nice fish and if we ever start breaking off 10s then we might be ready to consider something different. You are correct, if you have issues with Floro its because you are doing something wrong or have faulty line. If you go play golf and don't shoot even par , you are doing something wrong as well. Some of us do something wrong too often to afford floro all the time on every rig.
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GOD is good!
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: jvc58dke]
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07/23/19 01:18 AM
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Colton D
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Seagaur Invisx 15, 17, 20lb and a Double Pitzen or whatever Swindle and Shaw Grigsby call it. No issues.. Used 17 lb on a swim jig in thick grass catching over 20 fish a couple weeks ago with no re-ties. 5 of them were over 4 pounds. Its all about the knot!
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: ReelSlow]
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07/23/19 01:35 AM
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MechaMinnow
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You don't need pro gear to catch fish or play golf. These guys didn't get to be pros with pro gear. Knowledge, understanding and decent gear and how to use it and AND lots of practice
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: ReelSlow]
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07/23/19 01:56 AM
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grout-scout
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OH REALLY, user error huh? I bought 3 batches of FLouro and each one broke about 1 to 1.5 ft above the knot. 15, 17 qnd 20 lb spools NOT of the same batch. It was just NOT good line for me, so I gave it up for good and went back to McCoys. YOU tell me what I was doing wrong. It wasn't breaking in the knot, it was breaking above the knot. One broke on the 2nd cast. I think the MOST casts I got our of using it was 9, so I will not use it again. This was on 3 different purchase, not all at once. SO never again. Nuff said.
Tight lines, keep safe and good luck.
Thad Rains Well maybe the way you tied the knot on all 3 batches created bad spots above all 3 knots. There are plenty of knots you can tie with mono that will weaken and cause abrasion to flouro above the knot as you cinch it down. I wanna watch Thad tie a knot and cause abrasion 12 - 18 " above the knot. It prob has more to do with the way that he throws his bait. Id imagine thats just about the amount of line hanging from the rod tip when he rears back to cast. Prob kinking the line by rearing back hard to launch the bait.
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: jvc58dke]
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07/23/19 01:59 AM
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Jeff From Iowa
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Maybe your guys with floro issues are using too light of line?
I was on mono only three years ago. Heck I was still in my 84 glastron then also and had no idea people talked about fishing online..
I was breaking 10 floro on hook set, then 12, now I use 15 and fine wire hooks a flick of the wrist is all it takes with fine wire hooks... my draw partners in club tourneys swing for the fences like on tv and break off while I boat 15 fish or more to their 1... Heck Ive caught fish with my partners bait in their mouth this year.. haha
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: jvc58dke]
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07/23/19 02:20 AM
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jbcarroll3000
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Ultimately, do what works for you. Fluoro works for me in probably 80% of applications, so that's what I'm going to keep doing. For me, mono works for top water. Braid works for frogs and as main line on a spinning reel (would use it to punch grass if I did that more often), and that's it. Fluoro for the rest. Again, do what works for you.
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: jvc58dke]
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07/23/19 03:30 AM
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Bryce612
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I had bad luck with invizx 12lb years ago. Was probably a bad spool but I lost confidence in it. Switched to Gamma Edge and havent been broke off yet fishing 10 and 12lb. Its stronger and more abrasion resistant. It is a little stiffer and slightly more difficult to cast but I have 100% confidence in it. Pricey so I prespool with mono and tie on 50-60 yards of fluoro. I tried Sunline Super FC Sniper and didnt like it as much as the Gamma. Key is to find a line that works for you and that you can have confidence in.
Tight lines and God bless.
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Re: Done with Fluoro
[Re: Donald Harper]
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07/23/19 03:38 AM
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Dr JL
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You also have to consider the body of water you were fishing. Does it have Zebra Muscles? If so no line is at fault. They cut all of them with ease and cut braid like it is butter. As the OP mentioned the break came a short distance above the bait.
We all have our line preferences and nothing at all wrong with that. I am just old school and gladly sacrifice a few small fish that are line sensitive to be sure I land the big fish when she bites. I tie direct with no leaders and never drop below 17# on one or two applications. Most of the time it is 20 Floro. for most of the other presentations and 25# for the heavy cover pitching. I require Braid for long-line presentations like dragging a Crig with lots of line out for a better hook set.
Braid on a daily basis on most of my rigs would just not work for me. The main reason is the wind and how Braid reacts to it. It is going to get wrapped around everything from bushes, rod tip and reel handles. My Spook with 3 sets of trebles does not like it. A twisted line tie spinner bait does not like it. Both get wrapped up frequently. You will learn that this presents a reel problem when under pressure to make clean cast one after the other with certain baits and fighting wind. I like this comment. Only difference for me is mono usually for the 17-25lb use, unless deeper water. I kinda use all line types since no line is best for ALL situations imo.
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