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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/20/19 08:24 PM
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Razorback
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I think we need to pass a law that if your body mass index is over 30 you're not allowed to stop at McDonald's or an all you can eat buffet. Think of your wife and children.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: skeeterbugzx300]
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06/20/19 09:03 PM
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tmd11111
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when I'm running I always have my life vest on with kill switch attached. the only bad thing is, if a game warden see u crank up & ideal a couple hundred feet without it attached is he going to write u a ticket. Nope. Read the law.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/20/19 09:44 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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Going to be really tough to enforce most of the time. Majority of the boats on the water I see you can barely see who's driving much less if they have kill switch attached. Pretty easy to just slip on when wardens approach
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: BillS2006]
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06/20/19 10:38 PM
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Bilboinsa
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When running stats, the devil is in the details. Look at what the propeller safety folks found about making sausage in Austin (not taking a side on the law, just the method): http://www.propellersafety.com/14695/regulations/kalis-law-misleading-fatality-statistics/In 2016, the Coast Guard counted 4,463 accidents that involved 701 deaths, 2,903 injuries and approximately $49 million dollars of damage to property as a result of recreational boating accidents.
The fatality rate was 5.9 deaths per 100,000 registered recreational vessels. This rate represents a 11.3% increase from last years fatality rate of 5.3 deaths per 100,000 registered recreational vessels. Compared to 2015, the number of accidents increased 7.3%, the number of deaths increased 12%, and the number of injuries increased 11.1%. Where cause of death was known, 80% of fatal boating accident victims drowned. Of those drowning victims with reported life jacket usage, 83% were not wearing a life jacket. Eight out of every ten boaters who drowned were using vessels less than 21 feet in length. Alcohol use is the leading known contributing factor in fatal boating accidents; where the primary cause was known, it was listed as the leading factor in 15% of deaths. Where instruction was known, 77% of deaths occurred on boats where the operator did not receive boating safety instruction. Only 13% percent of deaths occurred on vessels where the operator had received a nationally-approved boating safety education certificate. There were 171 accidents in which at least one person was struck by a propeller. Collectively, these accidents resulted in 24 deaths and 175 injuries. Operator inattention, operator inexperience, improper lookout, excessive speed, and machinery failure rank as the top five primary contributing factors in accidents. Where data was known, the most common vessel types involved in reported accidents were open motorboats (47%), personal watercraft (18%), and cabin motorboats (15%). Where data was known, the vessel types with the highest percentage of deaths were open motorboats (47%), kayaks (13%), and canoes (9%). The 11,861,811 recreational vessels registered by the states in 2016 represent a 0.04% decrease from last year when 11,867,049 recreational vessels were registered. Stats in Austin hearings
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/20/19 11:01 PM
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Razorback
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Thank you. 89% seemed like an extremely unlikely and unreasonable percentage when it was quoted.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/20/19 11:36 PM
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Bob Landry
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This is pure and simple government overreach, but the politicians think it will save the world and they feel all warm and fuzzy about it, and isn't that what it's all about. If the GWs really want to enforce boating laws, let them start with the kids out in daddy's boat drinking and ignoring right of way rules.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/21/19 12:11 AM
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Larry Mosby
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This is a good idea in the attempt to save lives after someone is ejected from the boat. Smaller bass boats and pleasure boats have hand throttles that need this as well as big bass boats with a hot foot. Im wondering how this will impact all the little tiller steer boats. If youre into manufacturing it would be a great time to start producing kill switch kits because they will be in big demand now.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Larry Mosby]
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06/21/19 01:14 AM
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sprigsss
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This is a good idea in the attempt to save lives after someone is ejected from the boat. Smaller bass boats and pleasure boats have hand throttles that need this as well as big bass boats with a hot foot. Im wondering how this will impact all the little tiller steer boats. If youre into manufacturing it would be a great time to start producing kill switch kits because they will be in big demand now. Tiller motors have a kill switch that you put around your wrist. Probably the reason i still put mine on my wrist instead of clipping to life vest. Amazed at how many people are against a common sense law. At least now if some idiot is ejected without a kill switch they can be held accountable. Makes no sense to not wear one and put others lives and property in jeopardy. This law protects others, not the idiot that refuses to wear a kill switch. I dont know why that is hard to understand. An out of control unmanned boat is 100% preventable. It is ashame we need the law, but apparently we do.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Larry Mosby]
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06/21/19 02:22 AM
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BigDozer66
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This is a good idea in the attempt to save lives after someone is ejected from the boat. Smaller bass boats and pleasure boats have hand throttles that need this as well as big bass boats with a hot foot. Im wondering how this will impact all the little tiller steer boats. If youre into manufacturing it would be a great time to start producing kill switch kits because they will be in big demand now. Larry, The law says Manufacturer Installed not aftermarket added so they would be no need for anyone to add on to their boat unless they fish tourneys.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Bilboinsa]
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06/21/19 02:25 AM
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BigDozer66
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When running stats, the devil is in the details. Look at what the propeller safety folks found about making sausage in Austin (not taking a side on the law, just the method): http://www.propellersafety.com/14695/regulations/kalis-law-misleading-fatality-statistics/In 2016, the Coast Guard counted 4,463 accidents that involved 701 deaths, 2,903 injuries and approximately $49 million dollars of damage to property as a result of recreational boating accidents.
The fatality rate was 5.9 deaths per 100,000 registered recreational vessels. This rate represents a 11.3% increase from last years fatality rate of 5.3 deaths per 100,000 registered recreational vessels. Compared to 2015, the number of accidents increased 7.3%, the number of deaths increased 12%, and the number of injuries increased 11.1%. Where cause of death was known, 80% of fatal boating accident victims drowned. Of those drowning victims with reported life jacket usage, 83% were not wearing a life jacket. Eight out of every ten boaters who drowned were using vessels less than 21 feet in length. Alcohol use is the leading known contributing factor in fatal boating accidents; where the primary cause was known, it was listed as the leading factor in 15% of deaths. Where instruction was known, 77% of deaths occurred on boats where the operator did not receive boating safety instruction. Only 13% percent of deaths occurred on vessels where the operator had received a nationally-approved boating safety education certificate. There were 171 accidents in which at least one person was struck by a propeller. Collectively, these accidents resulted in 24 deaths and 175 injuries. Operator inattention, operator inexperience, improper lookout, excessive speed, and machinery failure rank as the top five primary contributing factors in accidents. Where data was known, the most common vessel types involved in reported accidents were open motorboats (47%), personal watercraft (18%), and cabin motorboats (15%). Where data was known, the vessel types with the highest percentage of deaths were open motorboats (47%), kayaks (13%), and canoes (9%). The 11,861,811 recreational vessels registered by the states in 2016 represent a 0.04% decrease from last year when 11,867,049 recreational vessels were registered. Stats in Austin hearingsWhat?  Media, Government officials, SJW's, Uninformed people, and others misquote stats to get what they want? 
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/21/19 02:41 AM
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Razorback
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Since it keeps coming up, how many of you have been injured by someone else's runaway boat, caused by lack of a connected kill switch, or even know of someone who has? That seems to be why this is different than riding a motorcycle without a helmet, that someone else's runaway boat might injure not just him but you.
So how many times has it happened?
Granted I am only 58 years old, and granted I was born on Caddo Lake, and granted I have only been on the water fishing virtually every weekend for the last 30 years, but I have never seen it happen or even heard of it happening.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Razorback]
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06/21/19 03:24 AM
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sprigsss
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Since it keeps coming up, how many of you have been injured by someone else's runaway boat, caused by lack of a connected kill switch, or even know of someone who has? That seems to be why this is different than riding a motorcycle without a helmet, that someone else's runaway boat might injure not just him but you.
So how many times has it happened?
Granted I am only 58 years old, and granted I was born on Caddo Lake, and granted I have only been on the water fishing virtually every weekend for the last 30 years, but I have never seen it happen or even heard of it happening. Is it worth the risk when such a nonintrusive, simple, and 100% effective solution exists? Maybe if your loved one is the 1 in a million it happens to, you may think differently. I have a cousin that was thrown from a boat and then struck by the propeller across his back. Unfortunately his life vest prevented him from diving and he couldnt get out of the way fast enough. Although the life vest probably prevented further damage. Would have been a moot point if the operator wore his kill switch. He was lucky. There have been several incidents lately of runaway boats coming close to others boats and docks. Then we all saw the guy that risked injury trying to jump back in his boat. Its 100% preventable.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/21/19 03:41 AM
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sprigsss
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https://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20180625/pc-boater-struck-by-own-boat-dies-of-injuriesEven worse than killing yourself because of your stupidity is what if your boat hits someone else? You want to live the rest of your life knowing you could have easily prevented it? Oh well Im through, its apparent some just dont care. Its sad and disappointing. How dare we slightly inconvenience anyone to save even 1 life. There are ZERO drawbacks to this law, ZERO.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: Debra Hengst]
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06/21/19 04:01 AM
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Razorback
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Actually I wear my kill switch every time I remember to attach it. I fail to see how a game warden or a cop making me pay a couple of hundred dollars if I forget sometime is going to make all the other boaters on the lake safer. One of you might have a heart attack at the wheel, cross into my lane, and hit me on my way to the lake, but I don't want game wardens giving you tickets for eating poorly and not exercising enough.
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Re: ** Boating Law effective Sept 1, 2019 **
[Re: sprigsss]
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06/21/19 05:55 AM
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Bobby Milam
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Since it keeps coming up, how many of you have been injured by someone else's runaway boat, caused by lack of a connected kill switch, or even know of someone who has? That seems to be why this is different than riding a motorcycle without a helmet, that someone else's runaway boat might injure not just him but you.
So how many times has it happened?
Granted I am only 58 years old, and granted I was born on Caddo Lake, and granted I have only been on the water fishing virtually every weekend for the last 30 years, but I have never seen it happen or even heard of it happening. Is it worth the risk when such a nonintrusive, simple, and 100% effective solution exists? Maybe if your loved one is the 1 in a million it happens to, you may think differently. I have a cousin that was thrown from a boat and then struck by the propeller across his back. Unfortunately his life vest prevented him from diving and he couldnt get out of the way fast enough. Although the life vest probably prevented further damage. Would have been a moot point if the operator wore his kill switch. He was lucky. There have been several incidents lately of runaway boats coming close to others boats and docks. Then we all saw the guy that risked injury trying to jump back in his boat. Its 100% preventable. You just dont get it. No one has said that using a kill switch is a bad idea. The bad idea is that you think that it is something that the state needs to regulate and because they regulate it you are now suddenly perfectly safe. Maybe we can pass some drug laws and make us all safe. Oh wait those dont work either. This state is turning so liberal so fast.
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