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Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: rj74955] #13164268 05/23/19 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rj74955
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Even though 5 fish limits would be smaller on these lakes (see BASS open and Costa Events), watching them try to catch a kicker instead of continuing to hammer on 1 pounders (Martens) would be more entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender.

There it is! Entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender. That is exactly what this format does not have.


This one is tough because you're using yourself as a "focus group of one" and saying that you are the typical weekend angler. I would propose that it's not the case at all. The five fish derby angler demo is much smaller than the weekend angler demo and it's not even close. Even smaller is the group of anglers who are five fish guys and active on forum boards. So, when you're seeing conversations and opinions here, they truly don't scale to the "average angler" as the millions of "fun fishing" anglers across the country aren't "looking for kickers" on Saturday or Sunday. End of story.



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Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: retdbasser] #13164314 05/23/19 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by retdbasser
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by rj74955
Originally Posted by MagFluker
Even though 5 fish limits would be smaller on these lakes (see BASS open and Costa Events), watching them try to catch a kicker instead of continuing to hammer on 1 pounders (Martens) would be more entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender.

There it is! Entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender. That is exactly what this format does not have.


Weekend anglers look for a kicker fish? I consider myself the definition of weekend angler, and I dont go out looking for five fish, then start culling. Thats what tournament anglers do. I go out to catch as many bass as I can. If Im going to be out there all day, I want to catch fish, which is what is appealing about this format to me, since I dont fish tournaments (except the prestigious OT tourney, and my partner caught all of our fish).

I think there is a happy medium for this format that would appease both sides of the debate. Someone mentioned limiting the number of fish under X pounds per round. I dont know if that would work, because there are going to be tough fishing days and storable fish are going to be hard to come by, but there has to be a way to incentivize catching - or at least targeting non-dinks - even though I think its way more relatable to watch pros catch 100 fish per day than swing for the fences and only catch seven fish in a day, even though those seven are 3-6 pounders.

I love catching bigger fish, but at the end of the day, catching 100 fish in eight hours is more impressive than catching seven, in my opinion.


I agree.



I guess I see it differently. I can see where some people would enjoy catching a ton of small fish, but for me and most of the people I fish with and know locally will always keep a mental note of what their best 5 were every day. If I know I'm going to go fishing and have a choice of lakes that I can catch 50 fish but nothing but 1-2 lbers or a lake with a shot at catching 5 4-5 lb and up fish I will pick the second choice every time.

Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13164353 05/23/19 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
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Originally Posted by MagFluker
Even though 5 fish limits would be smaller on these lakes (see BASS open and Costa Events), watching them try to catch a kicker instead of continuing to hammer on 1 pounders (Martens) would be more entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender.

There it is! Entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender. That is exactly what this format does not have.


Weekend anglers look for a kicker fish? I consider myself the definition of weekend angler, and I dont go out looking for five fish, then start culling. Thats what tournament anglers do. I go out to catch as many bass as I can. If Im going to be out there all day, I want to catch fish, which is what is appealing about this format to me, since I dont fish tournaments (except the prestigious OT tourney, and my partner caught all of our fish).

I think there is a happy medium for this format that would appease both sides of the debate. Someone mentioned limiting the number of fish under X pounds per round. I dont know if that would work, because there are going to be tough fishing days and storable fish are going to be hard to come by, but there has to be a way to incentivize catching - or at least targeting non-dinks - even though I think its way more relatable to watch pros catch 100 fish per day than swing for the fences and only catch seven fish in a day, even though those seven are 3-6 pounders.

I love catching bigger fish, but at the end of the day, catching 100 fish in eight hours is more impressive than catching seven, in my opinion.

I think you just took this opportunity to rub it in one more time that you and your tater eating partner whipped me on Fork lol. I took that to mean the typical weekend "tournament" angler since he was talking about kicker fish and tournaments. This format doesn't relate to that at all. I really like the guys that fish MLF, I think you know I am around quite a few of them. The only good thing I've heard is it somewhat pays the bills. You can get in my boat any day, we can fish for numbers half a day and then go try for a 5 pounder., as long as we can drink beer the whole day.

Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: rj74955] #13164361 05/23/19 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rj74955
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by rj74955
Originally Posted by MagFluker
Even though 5 fish limits would be smaller on these lakes (see BASS open and Costa Events), watching them try to catch a kicker instead of continuing to hammer on 1 pounders (Martens) would be more entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender.

There it is! Entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender. That is exactly what this format does not have.


Weekend anglers look for a kicker fish? I consider myself the definition of weekend angler, and I don’t go out looking for five fish, then start culling. That’s what tournament anglers do. I go out to catch as many bass as I can. If I’m going to be out there all day, I want to catch fish, which is what is appealing about this format to me, since I don’t fish tournaments (except the prestigious OT tourney, and my partner caught all of our fish).

I think there is a happy medium for this format that would appease both sides of the debate. Someone mentioned limiting the number of fish under X pounds per round. I don’t know if that would work, because there are going to be tough fishing days and storable fish are going to be hard to come by, but there has to be a way to incentivize catching - or at least targeting non-dinks - even though I think it’s way more relatable to watch pros catch 100 fish per day than swing for the fences and only catch seven fish in a day, even though those seven are 3-6 pounders.

I love catching bigger fish, but at the end of the day, catching 100 fish in eight hours is more impressive than catching seven, in my opinion.

I think you just took this opportunity to rub it in one more time that you and your tater eating partner whipped me on Fork lol. I took that to mean the typical weekend "tournament" angler since he was talking about kicker fish and tournaments. This format doesn't relate to that at all. I really like the guys that fish MLF, I think you know I am around quite a few of them. The only good thing I've heard is it somewhat pays the bills. You can get in my boat any day, we can fish for numbers half a day and then go try for a 5 pounder., as long as we can drink beer the whole day.


You mean to tell me you have ties to the pro's and you finished 3rd? You must not listen too well.

Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: Mark Jones] #13164366 05/23/19 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Jones
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Originally Posted by MagFluker
Even though 5 fish limits would be smaller on these lakes (see BASS open and Costa Events), watching them try to catch a kicker instead of continuing to hammer on 1 pounders (Martens) would be more entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender.

There it is! Entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender. That is exactly what this format does not have.


This one is tough because you're using yourself as a "focus group of one" and saying that you are the typical weekend angler. I would propose that it's not the case at all. The five fish derby angler demo is much smaller than the weekend angler demo and it's not even close. Even smaller is the group of anglers who are five fish guys and active on forum boards. So, when you're seeing conversations and opinions here, they truly don't scale to the "average angler" as the millions of "fun fishing" anglers across the country aren't "looking for kickers" on Saturday or Sunday. End of story.



Im pretty sure if you read it again, he wasn't talking about the guy going out and throwing a minnow and bobber. The end of the story is that it's like 80 of my old buddies changed their gender identities and are now fishing like women. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: BCBassCat] #13164394 05/23/19 05:44 PM
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You mean to tell me you have ties to the pro's and you finished 3rd? You must not listen too well.
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Re: MLF/BPT Monday [Re: Dubee] #13164521 05/23/19 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubee

I agree, who would keep flipping all day. That's what he was doing when i had a little time to watch. There has never been any Bass or Flw tournaments won flipping bushes. That is a dink pattern


Well a lake with that many fish in it has to have some quality fish. They obviously were not shallow in the bushes at this time. Yeah, flipping for bushes is often times a way to get a kicker, but wasn't happening on this lake.

Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter

Weekend anglers look for a kicker fish? I consider myself the definition of weekend angler, and I don’t go out looking for five fish, then start culling. That’s what tournament anglers do. I go out to catch as many bass as I can.


Guess that's where we differ. I judge my day based on number of quality bites. I can go catch 50 12" spots on Alan Henry right now on a topwater. IMO, don't consider that a good day.

I'd rather go drag a 10" worm, jig, or throw a swimbait and hope to catch a fish over 5 lbs. It rarely happens for me and I have a ton of 0,1,2, and 3 fish days, but I feel like catching 12" fish 1 after another is a waste of a day. If kids are with me, then of course it is all about the numbers. But we aren't watching kids fish, we are watching professionals. Guess it is different strokes for different folks. Not in anyway saying I don't like the BPT. Its entertaining and exciting, I just think they can make it even better by mixing it up a bit or at least increasing the minimum size.

I believe the other lakes they just happened to time just right while the big fish were still shallow. It will be interesting to see going forward what the weights look like now that most spawns will be done.

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I love catching bigger fish, but at the end of the day, catching 100 fish in eight hours is more impressive than catching seven, in my opinion.

Guarantee you the general public sees it that way, its only a small sub-set of hard core anglers that understand how to catch giant bass regularly, the occassional angler doesn't even realize how hard that is to do they think its just luck.


I think its understood how hard it is to catch giant bass. I dont think its luck to catch five six pounders. Just to clarify.


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Originally Posted by rj74955
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Originally Posted by rj74955
Originally Posted by MagFluker
Even though 5 fish limits would be smaller on these lakes (see BASS open and Costa Events), watching them try to catch a kicker instead of continuing to hammer on 1 pounders (Martens) would be more entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender.

There it is! Entertaining and relatable to the typical weekender. That is exactly what this format does not have.


Weekend anglers look for a kicker fish? I consider myself the definition of weekend angler, and I dont go out looking for five fish, then start culling. Thats what tournament anglers do. I go out to catch as many bass as I can. If Im going to be out there all day, I want to catch fish, which is what is appealing about this format to me, since I dont fish tournaments (except the prestigious OT tourney, and my partner caught all of our fish).

I think there is a happy medium for this format that would appease both sides of the debate. Someone mentioned limiting the number of fish under X pounds per round. I dont know if that would work, because there are going to be tough fishing days and storable fish are going to be hard to come by, but there has to be a way to incentivize catching - or at least targeting non-dinks - even though I think its way more relatable to watch pros catch 100 fish per day than swing for the fences and only catch seven fish in a day, even though those seven are 3-6 pounders.

I love catching bigger fish, but at the end of the day, catching 100 fish in eight hours is more impressive than catching seven, in my opinion.

I think you just took this opportunity to rub it in one more time that you and your tater eating partner whipped me on Fork lol. I took that to mean the typical weekend "tournament" angler since he was talking about kicker fish and tournaments. This format doesn't relate to that at all. I really like the guys that fish MLF, I think you know I am around quite a few of them. The only good thing I've heard is it somewhat pays the bills. You can get in my boat any day, we can fish for numbers half a day and then go try for a 5 pounder., as long as we can drink beer the whole day.


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I think youre right that I misunderstood the poster we were responding to.

I am in. Can you get me on a six pounder or above? My PB is five (many times). I just cant get over the hump.


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Originally Posted by sprigsss
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I agree, who would keep flipping all day. That's what he was doing when i had a little time to watch. There has never been any Bass or Flw tournaments won flipping bushes. That is a dink pattern


Well a lake with that many fish in it has to have some quality fish. They obviously were not shallow in the bushes at this time. Yeah, flipping for bushes is often times a way to get a kicker, but wasn't happening on this lake.

Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter

Weekend anglers look for a kicker fish? I consider myself the definition of weekend angler, and I don’t go out looking for five fish, then start culling. That’s what tournament anglers do. I go out to catch as many bass as I can.


Guess that's where we differ. I judge my day based on number of quality bites. I can go catch 50 12" spots on Alan Henry right now on a topwater. IMO, don't consider that a good day.

I'd rather go drag a 10" worm, jig, or throw a swimbait and hope to catch a fish over 5 lbs. It rarely happens for me and I have a ton of 0,1,2, and 3 fish days, but I feel like catching 12" fish 1 after another is a waste of a day. If kids are with me, then of course it is all about the numbers. But we aren't watching kids fish, we are watching professionals. Guess it is different strokes for different folks. Not in anyway saying I don't like the BPT. Its entertaining and exciting, I just think they can make it even better by mixing it up a bit or at least increasing the minimum size.

I believe the other lakes they just happened to time just right while the big fish were still shallow. It will be interesting to see going forward what the weights look like now that most spawns will be done.


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Im not saying that size doesnt matter at all (I like catching 3, 4 and 5 pounders as much as anyone). The majority of the time, I dont want to drag that 10 worm all day for one bite, especially if Im going to be out there all day. I want to catch fish. Im not saying Im happy catching 11 fish all day, either.

I like seeing guys catch monsters, just to be clear. But how are these guys going to target and catch giant bass, like Legend said, when they dont even know what lake theyre fishing until they get there the morning of?

There is a happy medium, though. There has to be a way to incentivize catching the numbers that make it an exciting show, and also decent fish. Limiting scorable bass to whatever the minimum length of that lake is would help. But, i dont have the definitive answer because I dont watch these shows that closely. Its usually on in the background while Im working.

I see both sides, but figuring a pattern on a mystery lake and catching 100 bass is still impressive to me and makes for a better TV show, in my opinion.


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The biggest factor in some of the weights being little smaller than most prefer is the body of water.
I was fortunate enough to grow up fishing southern Missouri and Table Rock a lot. There are a bunch of "smaller" fish in there, but there are some good big fish too.
as MLF stops at lakes that are known to grow bigger average fish, the average weights wont be quote as low as this one was.

as Ive stated, Im not a huge fan of the format, but its great for the sport and good things will come from the options that are available to watch and/or fish, like The Opens, FLW and MLF....at the end of the day, its just fishing, something we all love to do.

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