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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Clark3]
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03/17/19 07:33 PM
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beartrap
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[quote=Barrett] Let’s be honest, most of these guys don’t need the money they get from fishing at this point in their careers. Their success has allotted them ways to make money in other ways. So for people to see ALL these guys left for the money is fooling themselves. I think 5, MAYBE 10, don’t need the money. Ike Brandon Palaniuk (wealthy family) Jordan Lee (obvious reasons) Shaw Grigsby Kevin van Dam Takahiro Omori Gerald Swindle Alton Jones (family owns oil company) Alton Jones Jr. (Same as pops) Greg Hackney Edwin Evers (owns family farm/pecan business) Gary Klein Boyd Ducket (obvious reasons many business ventures) There’s 13 of them right there, all previous elite guys. These are ones i know for sure with zero speculation, there’s a bunch more I’m sure. When i say “don’t need the money” I dont Mean necessarily so rich they don’t have to make another $ fishing (Though many of them fit in that category), I mean These guys were fishing for free via sponsorship dollars so not having to pay entry fees is indifferent to them. I thought alton jones father was a doctor.....does he own oil company too?
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Barrett]
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03/17/19 07:55 PM
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fouzman
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I bet a bunch of them are rethinking that decision  +1 NOT! There have been a few subtle digs at the BPT in the LIVE commentary throughout this event. A bunch of not so subtle comments today lamenting the 'change' and how hard it's going to be to see the end of an era. And the times, they are a changing... One other thought. The weights in this tournament, and most of the fish weighed in, are no different than a daily BPT event. Essentially, a dink fest. I enjoyed every minute of the live coverage.
Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Fishspanker]
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03/17/19 08:24 PM
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beartrap
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one of the things that hasn't been mentioned is that with MLF television coverage you are going to get to see a lot more of the competitors actually fishing and an up to date scoreboard of how they are doing throughout the day....
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Mark Jones]
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03/17/19 10:20 PM
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SAKS
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I saw a lot of regret today. BPT isnt a viable long term option. You cant rely on sponsor dollars to pay your winnings and not have an entry fee. Its not possible in a niche industry. Youll see some of these guys back in BASS I promise you. Anything the BPT puts on is nothing compared an elite series event or the Classic. MLF was great as a supplement, but the new format is just boring. Fans will get bored. The Classic was special for these guys this week no doubt and they all gave BASS their due and were professional. There may be a little reminiscing going on for some but no regret. No doubt there will be some return to BASS at some point but MLF is here to stay. Too many smart people, too much money and too many people who love the new format. The numbers of viewers and fans of MLF are simply overwhelming and will do nothing but continue to grow. It was very interesting there this week in Knoxville with all the change. A lot of questions still remain and a lot still in play at the professional level and everyones talking about it. There was a lot of smart people, ton of money, and people who loved NASCAR but all good things come to a pinnacle and begin to decline. These declines usually come because they begin to tamper with the product. You have to listen to what drives your sport. Now you cant implement every idea brought to the table but as BASS found out you cant ignore them either. I do agree that some that jumped ship will return to BASS but until MFL begins its decline BASS will not be be what it once was. I highly doubt theres a major decline in our sport unless there becomes an issue with the fisheries themselves and access to water. This is a participation sport first, spectating takes a distant back seat. As long as theres grass roots anglers and weekend anglers chasing fish then all is well. Cant compare this to NASCAR at all in my opinion. Everything declines. Everything. How much is always an unknown but it will happen. There are constant peaks and valley's in everything. Now I was not making a direct comparison of NASCAR vs Pro Fishing as sports. I was comparing two business entities. You are referencing fishing in general but these post are talking about the business end of the sport. You say spectating takes a back seat but in reality that is not accurate. In the business end of the sport spectators drive it because without them there are no sales, without sales there is no money, without money there is no sponsorships and with no sponsors there is no MLF, BPT, BASS, or FLW in their current form. These companies ability to sell their product is their priority using high profile anglers as their salesmen. So from a business perspective the spectator is first and foremost a key part of the puzzle and takes a back seat to nothing.
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Fishspanker]
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03/17/19 10:30 PM
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Mark Jones
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Sorry, maybe the way I wrote it made it not quite so clear. The engine that drives sport fishing is the 30-40 million people who fish not the much smaller number who do so competitively or those that watch it in my opinion. My point was the leagues could be gone tomorrow and people are still going to fish. Its a participation sport first, trying to argue that ignores the math...
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: beartrap]
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03/17/19 11:00 PM
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SteezMacQueen
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[quote=Barrett] Let’s be honest, most of these guys don’t need the money they get from fishing at this point in their careers. Their success has allotted them ways to make money in other ways. So for people to see ALL these guys left for the money is fooling themselves. I think 5, MAYBE 10, don’t need the money. Ike Brandon Palaniuk (wealthy family) Jordan Lee (obvious reasons) Shaw Grigsby Kevin van Dam Takahiro Omori Gerald Swindle Alton Jones (family owns oil company) Alton Jones Jr. (Same as pops) Greg Hackney Edwin Evers (owns family farm/pecan business) Gary Klein Boyd Ducket (obvious reasons many business ventures) There’s 13 of them right there, all previous elite guys. These are ones i know for sure with zero speculation, there’s a bunch more I’m sure. When i say “don’t need the money” I dont Mean necessarily so rich they don’t have to make another $ fishing (Though many of them fit in that category), I mean These guys were fishing for free via sponsorship dollars so not having to pay entry fees is indifferent to them. I thought alton jones father was a doctor.....does he own oil company too? When I knew Alton, back in high school, he wasnt no oil family kid for sure. Maybe they struck oil in Lorena. (Pronounced Low-reena).
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Clark3]
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03/18/19 02:37 AM
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JacksonBean
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[quote=Barrett] Lets be honest, most of these guys dont need the money they get from fishing at this point in their careers. Their success has allotted them ways to make money in other ways. So for people to see ALL these guys left for the money is fooling themselves. I think 5, MAYBE 10, dont need the money. Ike Brandon Palaniuk (wealthy family) Jordan Lee (obvious reasons) Shaw Grigsby Kevin van Dam Takahiro Omori Gerald Swindle Alton Jones (family owns oil company) Alton Jones Jr. (Same as pops) Greg Hackney Edwin Evers (owns family farm/pecan business) Gary Klein Boyd Ducket (obvious reasons many business ventures) Theres 13 of them right there, all previous elite guys. These are ones i know for sure with zero speculation, theres a bunch more Im sure. When i say dont need the money I dont Mean necessarily so rich they dont have to make another $ fishing (Though many of them fit in that category), I mean These guys were fishing for free via sponsorship dollars so not having to pay entry fees is indifferent to them. Ill give you KVD, maybe Ike and definitely Duckett but youre delusional if you think the rest dont need $300K because their family has money or any other excuse that leaves them hemmorhaging money year after year with zero need to break even. Theres a couple on the list youve got WAY wrong but Im not going to throw anyone under the bus. ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2019/03/full-51612-5769-916267ec_3d89_4185_ba91_37522b1d687d.png)
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: SteezMacQueen]
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03/18/19 02:54 AM
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When I knew Alton, back in high school, he wasnt no oil family kid for sure. Maybe they struck oil in Lorena. (Pronounced Low-reena).
All I know is the Mr. Jones has friends in high places...
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Fishspanker]
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03/18/19 07:02 AM
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Fishinreelslow
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Mark Perry is the only one that gets it. New doors appear in front of you. Do you go thru them or pass? It is called life and it changes every day. I wish them all luck in surviving. Its entertainment for us to enjoy. So why wish one would fail. BPT EXPANDS the field allowing new blood in the game, some that may have never received the opportunity to do so.
The best fishin days are the ones you can go on
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Fishspanker]
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03/18/19 05:04 PM
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Champion1
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Made for TV means just that guys. Its basically a big long reality show. Its built on people sitting at home watching. BASS and FLW are more about participation, hence the expo and the live weigh in at a arena. 2 totally different business models and both can be successful. Much like racing cars, theres NASCAR, Indy cars, F1 etc... All are doing well just different. I do think its funny when a guy looks at his Judge and says Did I win? Kind of anticlimactic IMO, as compared to the BASS Classic winner.
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Fishing on a string]
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03/18/19 05:23 PM
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Sinkey
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I think BPT was an exit strategy for some who were not preforming on the Elites. THIS!!!!!!!!
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: J.H.S.]
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03/18/19 05:30 PM
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The next classic will not break any records all the big boys are gone! The TV ratings for BPT will be crazy numbers thats where the money is at. BPT is here to stay like it or not.
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: jiggmann]
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03/18/19 05:32 PM
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The next classic will not break any records all the big boys are gone! The TV ratings for BPT will be crazy numbers thats where the money is at. BPT is here to stay like it or not. BASS will still be around but it won't be the premier league anymore
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Fishspanker]
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03/18/19 05:34 PM
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Used2fish
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Plain and simple. There are a handful of guys that think that they are larger than the sport of bass fishing and that without them bass loses. But in reality the game is won and lost in grass roots. Look at the opens so far this year. Chalk full of guys that want to be the next kvd. Bass membership the opens and the federation are cash for bass. Because a large portion of those people want to be on the big stage. Yes they love watching kvd but they dream of being him not just watching him. The other part of the story is that there are a handful of sponsors that control a large number of fisherman. If you think that Johnny Morris was going to put his name on it and not have his best anglers come over you are wrong and if you think that the largest fishing retailer in the US cannot influence vendors you've lost your mind. Johnny Morris wants to control all of it. Hell look how bad he's screwed up Cabela's in a short time. All in the name of Johnny morris. He has attempted to buy bass and flw in the past from what I've been told but did not like the price. So now he's trying to sink them.
That's just the way I see it.
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Re: Leaving BASS
[Re: Used2fish]
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03/18/19 05:37 PM
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Plain and simple. There are a handful of guys that think that they are larger than the sport of bass fishing and that without them bass loses. But in reality the game is won and lost in grass roots. Look at the opens so far this year. Chalk full of guys that want to be the next kvd. Bass membership the opens and the federation are cash for bass. Because a large portion of those people want to be on the big stage. Yes they love watching kvd but they dream of being him not just watching him. The other part of the story is that there are a handful of sponsors that control a large number of fisherman. If you think that Johnny Morris was going to put his name on it and not have his best anglers come over you are wrong and if you think that the largest fishing retailer in the US cannot influence vendors you've lost your mind. Johnny Morris wants to control all of it. Hell look how bad he's screwed up Cabela's in a short time. All in the name of Johnny morris. He has attempted to buy bass and flw in the past from what I've been told but did not like the price. So now he's trying to sink them.
That's just the way I see it.  then why does he have major sponsorship stake in both FLW and BASS?
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