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Texas Catfish Conservation Alert #13026337 01/12/19 12:56 AM
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Please read the article in the link below about HB 346, an attempts to legalize bow fishing of catfish by circumventing Texas Parks and Wildlife.


http://www.catfishedge.com/texas-catfish-bowfishing/

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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13029021 01/14/19 03:30 PM
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Thats a very well-written article Chad. Looks like you have done quite a bit of research on the topic.

Maybe you can help me understand why methods is under fire instead of size restrictions? If TPWD has stated theres no resource issue, what difference does it make if a fish is harvested with bow and arrow vs. a hook? Can we not just protect the big fish, and encourage all angling methods?

Because morality and ethics is a slippery slope in recreational hobbies. I am a bow hunter, and see striking similarities to controversial issues the hunting community has worked through in recent years. Deer archers could argue that rifles pose ethical and moral issues because of the perceived unfair advantage in killing an animal. But a deer killed is a deer killed and the same goes for a fish. There was tremendous pushback against crossbows in the hunting community, citing many concerns that never came to fruition, and instead has brought more kids and women into hunting. Same argument was made for air rifles, but it will almost certainly go the same way as crossbow, a win-win for hunting.

I agree that protecting bigger fish is a good thing. But if shooting fish with archery tackle as has been done for thousands of years is now considered barbaric, then we ought to outlaw all Bowfishing. And chumming, sonar, etc. anything that gives sportsmen an unfair advantage over their quarry.

Ill probably get flamed by some for this, but there seems to be some major inconsistencies when this topic is viewed in light of the greater context of state-driven game management for other animals. The underlying rub is that hunting and fishing is now a sport for most, instead of a way to get food. So now we (the hunting and fishing community) judge one another based upon how the fish was caught, deer was killed etc. but thats a whole separate discussion.

But again, interesting article, and appreciate you sharing, Chad.


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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13029110 01/14/19 04:42 PM
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Texas is in the stone-age compared to several states when it comes to state laws that conserve and develop trophy catfish. Here is one more step in the wrong in the wrong direction. Great article.

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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13029171 01/14/19 05:27 PM
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Legal in Alabama and we have plenty of catfish. Both large and small. In fact, we have no limit on catfish, but only one can be 34 inches or greater per angler.


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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: SpinFly] #13029254 01/14/19 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinFly
Thats a very well-written article Chad. Looks like you have done quite a bit of research on the topic.

Maybe you can help me understand why methods is under fire instead of size restrictions? If TPWD has stated theres no resource issue, what difference does it make if a fish is harvested with bow and arrow vs. a hook? Can we not just protect the big fish, and encourage all angling methods?

Because morality and ethics is a slippery slope in recreational hobbies. I am a bow hunter, and see striking similarities to controversial issues the hunting community has worked through in recent years. Deer archers could argue that rifles pose ethical and moral issues because of the perceived unfair advantage in killing an animal. But a deer killed is a deer killed and the same goes for a fish. There was tremendous pushback against crossbows in the hunting community, citing many concerns that never came to fruition, and instead has brought more kids and women into hunting. Same argument was made for air rifles, but it will almost certainly go the same way as crossbow, a win-win for hunting.

I agree that protecting bigger fish is a good thing. But if shooting fish with archery tackle as has been done for thousands of years is now considered barbaric, then we ought to outlaw all Bowfishing. And chumming, sonar, etc. anything that gives sportsmen an unfair advantage over their quarry.

Ill probably get flamed by some for this, but there seems to be some major inconsistencies when this topic is viewed in light of the greater context of state-driven game management for other animals. The underlying rub is that hunting and fishing is now a sport for most, instead of a way to get food. So now we (the hunting and fishing community) judge one another based upon how the fish was caught, deer was killed etc. but thats a whole separate discussion.

But again, interesting article, and appreciate you sharing, Chad.

Can't argue about one thing you said, totally agree.

Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13029269 01/14/19 06:33 PM
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We got bow hunting in Arkansas their crazy over it...Big boats, big lights,big guides, big money...and piles of fish floating around and piled at the boat ramps full of holes from bow and arrow hunting just to prove you can hit a fish?? The corps closed an area right by the dam cause they were shooting fish ( legal) with a bow and piling them all over the bank for all to enjoy......We were always taught eat what ya kill ....... it will just put more pressure on the species.....there is no catch and release W/O harm when shot with a bow and arrow.... 2cents


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I gotta totally agree w Spinfly! I totally support regulating the protection of our fisheries and especially the big breeder fish. I love the slot limit and idea. Im not sure who could take more trophy fish, trotline, jugs, rod n reel, or a loud boat with a bowfisherman. I personally dont keep any fish over 30 but thats just me.
In Texas it is illegal to harvest any fish and leave as waste as far as I know unless its an invasive species. Lawbreakers do exist though.


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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: Big Sam] #13030238 01/15/19 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandog
Texas is in the stone-age compared to several states when it comes to state laws that conserve and develop trophy catfish. Here is one more step in the wrong in the wrong direction. Great article.
Yes TX is indeed behind. Regular harvest of smaller fish promotes a trophy fishery, so why wouldnt you want more of that? TPWD already stated there is no resource issue. Actually, this would be a step in the right direction if youre serious about growing trophy cats.

Originally Posted by Big Sam
We got bow hunting in Arkansas their crazy over it...Big boats, big lights,big guides, big money...and piles of fish floating around and piled at the boat ramps full of holes from bow and arrow hunting just to prove you can hit a fish?? The corps closed an area right by the dam cause they were shooting fish ( legal) with a bow and piling them all over the bank for all to enjoy......We were always taught eat what ya kill ....... it will just put more pressure on the species.....there is no catch and release W/O harm when shot with a bow and arrow.... 2cents
Sounds like you have an outlaw problem, not a fish management problem. And no need for catch and release, its sight fishing. Deer Antler Regs dont allow for release, either, and look at the improvement in the quality of deer now coming from those areas. Get caught breaking the law, pay the consequences.


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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13030420 01/15/19 05:24 PM
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Spinfly, you seem to be assuming that the bowfishermen are going to be targeting the smaller fish. Maybe these will convince you otherwise:

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Just as you said, it's sight "fishing." They selectively target the giants as they're more impressive, destroying the fishery. Carp and gar fishermen know this more than anyone. The state is about to make huge changes concerning gar because their numbers are dwindling.


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I bowfish and catfish both and I would hate to see this become a law. Catfish are absolutely a game fish IMO and should not be bowfished. If you open it up to catfish, you have to open it up to all game fish and no one (most people) wants that. Just my opinion on it, which I know I'm the only one who cares about my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Ol' Green Top
Just my opinion on it, which I know I'm the only one who cares about my opinion.


Not at all, you voicing your opinion on this board can change people's minds. Lots of guys read the TFF!


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Re: Texas Catfish Conservation Alert [Re: SpinFly] #13030466 01/15/19 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TXMulti-Species
Spinfly, you seem to be assuming that the bowfishermen are going to be targeting the smaller fish. Maybe these will convince you otherwise:

Just as you said, it's sight "fishing." They selectively target the giants as they're more impressive, destroying the fishery. Carp and gar fishermen know this more than anyone. The state is about to make huge changes concerning gar because their numbers are dwindling.



Originally Posted by SpinFly

Maybe you can help me understand why methods is under fire instead of size restrictions? If TPWD has stated theres no resource issue, what difference does it make if a fish is harvested with bow and arrow vs. a hook? Can we not just protect the big fish, and encourage all angling methods?

I agree that protecting bigger fish is a good thing.


Try again. Youre making a phantom argument. If you cant or refuse to keep context, then I cant help you. SMH


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TPWD is not changing restrictions on fish protecting the bigger ones, they aren't even involved in this particular bill. The only thing that could potentially change is the ability to bowfish for catfish, size and bag limits will not be changed.


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Originally Posted by TXMulti-Species
TPWD is not changing restrictions on fish protecting the bigger ones, they aren't even involved in this particular bill. The only thing that could potentially change is the ability to bowfish for catfish, size and bag limits will not be changed.

Lol right, TPWD never changes or introduces slot limits. You make a good point tho, it would be challenging, but thats always the case.

Also cant trotline or jugline for other game fish, so not sure its a realistic fear that people will want to start shooting trophy bass etc. People want catfish to eat.

Anyway not sure what else there is to discuss. There would need to be size limits, as stated initially.


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If they do legalize Bow fishing for catfish and it goes toward your daily limit what seems to be the problem. Would y'all feel better if they dipped the end of the arrow in cheese bait or perhaps attached a shad to the arrow.

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