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Re: Bump Stocks [Re: Bob Davis] #13000486 12/20/18 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Davis

I'm not worried about the "slippery slope" on this one. It is nice to say get rid of all of them, but the topic was not all do nothing laws. What would you suggest we do about it? Arm up and by God march on Washington?


I am SUPER WORRIED about this - just the precedent it sets - not for guns but for ANYTHING!! It must be found unconstitutional. Otherwise, if they can call something you already possess "illegal" and order you to destroy it, what's next? Gas and diesel powered vehicles? If this is upheld, anything goes. Next President doesn't like rap or country music? Destroy those albums. It is BAD BAD BAD precedent.

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I'm not worried about the "slippery slope" on this one. It is nice to say get rid of all of them, but the topic was not all do nothing laws. What would you suggest we do about it? Arm up and by God march on Washington?


I am SUPER WORRIED about this - just the precedent it sets - not for guns but for ANYTHING!! It must be found unconstitutional. Otherwise, if they can call something you already possess "illegal" and order you to destroy it, what's next? Gas and diesel powered vehicles? If this is upheld, anything goes. Next President doesn't like rap or country music? Destroy those albums. It is BAD BAD BAD precedent.


I'm starting to see yours and Duck Hunters point on this. If it came to a vote , i would vote against the ban. But it is not up for a vote, so how can we fix this? I support the NRA Nd TSRA financially. What else can be done?


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Re: Bump Stocks [Re: bassfishinglawyer] #13000542 12/20/18 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bassfishinglawyer
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Originally Posted by Bob Davis

I'm not worried about the "slippery slope" on this one. It is nice to say get rid of all of them, but the topic was not all do nothing laws. What would you suggest we do about it? Arm up and by God march on Washington?


I am SUPER WORRIED about this - just the precedent it sets - not for guns but for ANYTHING!! It must be found unconstitutional. Otherwise, if they can call something you already possess "illegal" and order you to destroy it, what's next? Gas and diesel powered vehicles? If this is upheld, anything goes. Next President doesn't like rap or country music? Destroy those albums. It is BAD BAD BAD precedent.


Frank Zappa vs the PMRC suddenly comes to mind. As does the movie "Running Man".


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Re: Bump Stocks [Re: Bob Davis] #13000544 12/20/18 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Davis
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Originally Posted by Bob Davis

I'm not worried about the "slippery slope" on this one. It is nice to say get rid of all of them, but the topic was not all do nothing laws. What would you suggest we do about it? Arm up and by God march on Washington?


I am SUPER WORRIED about this - just the precedent it sets - not for guns but for ANYTHING!! It must be found unconstitutional. Otherwise, if they can call something you already possess "illegal" and order you to destroy it, what's next? Gas and diesel powered vehicles? If this is upheld, anything goes. Next President doesn't like rap or country music? Destroy those albums. It is BAD BAD BAD precedent.


I'm starting to see yours and Duck Hunters point on this. If it came to a vote , i would vote against the ban. But it is not up for a vote, so how can we fix this? I support the NRA Nd TSRA financially. What else can be done?


Thats my biggest issue with this. It can be challenged in court, but thats it. NRA can lobby against it, obviously, but Im not sure how effective that would be (or if theyre even interested in doing so). Other than that, I dont know how much else can be done.

Im not defending bump stocks (Ive never used one and have no interest in doing so); its the principle of it and the precedent it sets.

Edit: NRA supported restrictions on bump stocks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

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Simple fix...make full-auto legal (no need for special licensing).

It's none of the governments business if I have guns...let alone what kind...or what I do with/to them. If I want to use a fully automatic weapon to waste $5,000 in ammunition to mow down a tree on my property because it has a funny lean to it that I'm not comfortable standing under with a chainsaw....Why not?

The laws should only be for what/how/where it is used/displayed in public.

I am pro-background checks and giving more rights for dealers to discriminate.

The bottom line is to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. Laws like this only impact the law abiding.


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Re: Bump Stocks [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13000551 12/20/18 03:12 PM
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they have already told me I cant have anti-aircraft missiles and I cant even bury landmines on my OWN property? It must stop here, I worry about my children having to live in a world where the govt can tell them they cant have
a gun that shoots acid. slippery slope.


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Originally Posted by soggybottom
they have already told me I cant have anti-aircraft missiles and I cant even bury landmines on my OWN property? It must stop here, I worry about my children having to live in a world where the govt can tell them they cant have
a gun that shoots acid. slippery slope.


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Re: Bump Stocks [Re: Duck_Hunter] #13000576 12/20/18 03:42 PM
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One of the first things you learn in law school is that you can't be held liable for something that was not illegal at the time of purchase/action, etc. So that is why when zoning changes non-conforming properties cannot be ordered to be torn down. But that's what is happening here. And/or it is a governmental taking without due process (compensation).

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Originally Posted by bassfishinglawyer
One of the first things you learn in law school is that you can't be held liable for something that was not illegal at the time of purchase/action, etc. So that is why when zoning changes non-conforming properties cannot be ordered to be torn down. But that's what is happening here. And/or it is a governmental taking without due process (compensation).


they can pull you over, take all your money and not charge you for anything, so theres that.


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Originally Posted by soggybottom
[quote=bassfishinglawyer]One of the first things you learn in law school is that you can't be held liable for something that was not illegal at the time of purchase/action, etc. So that is why when zoning changes non-conforming properties cannot be ordered to be torn down. But that's what is happening here. And/or it is a governmental taking without due process (compensation).


they can pull you over, take all your money and not charge you for anything, so theres that. I was finally on the same side of an argument with soggy. Then he had to somehow drag the cops into it and ruin it.

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Originally Posted by bassfishinglawyer
One of the first things you learn in law school is that you can't be held liable for something that was not illegal at the time of purchase/action, etc. So that is why when zoning changes non-conforming properties cannot be ordered to be torn down. But that's what is happening here. And/or it is a governmental taking without due process (compensation).

At one point in this country it was legal to purchase and own another human being. Then collectively the nation decided that was probably not a good idea. So then it became illegal. I dont think you were allowed to keep all the slaves you bought while it was legal, but I could be wrong.

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One of the first things you learn in law school is that you can't be held liable for something that was not illegal at the time of purchase/action, etc. So that is why when zoning changes non-conforming properties cannot be ordered to be torn down. But that's what is happening here. And/or it is a governmental taking without due process (compensation).

At one point in this country it was legal to purchase and own another human being. Then collectively the nation decided that was probably not a good idea. So then it became illegal. I dont think you were allowed to keep all the slaves you bought while it was legal, but I could be wrong.


Apples & oranges. Those Constitutional amendments changed the status of slaves from property to people. You can only own property. If this latest rule changed the status of bump stocks from property to people, then I'd agree with you.


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I hope they have beer in the FEMA camps.


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One of the first things you learn in law school is that you can't be held liable for something that was not illegal at the time of purchase/action, etc. So that is why when zoning changes non-conforming properties cannot be ordered to be torn down. But that's what is happening here. And/or it is a governmental taking without due process (compensation).

At one point in this country it was legal to purchase and own another human being. Then collectively the nation decided that was probably not a good idea. So then it became illegal. I dont think you were allowed to keep all the slaves you bought while it was legal, but I could be wrong.


This is not a good analogy for several reasons, but Zeek is right on the legal front.

Congress isnt passing a law to ban bump stocks. The Trump administration is issuing a decree via the ATF.


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Originally Posted by soggybottom
they have already told me I cant have anti-aircraft missiles and I cant even bury landmines on my OWN property? It must stop here, I worry about my children having to live in a world where the govt can tell them they cant have
a gun that shoots acid. slippery slope.


Did you ask for permission, or get caught with something? Who is they? Hook me up with your SAM dealer.

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