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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 02:42 AM
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Jarrett Latta
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No polygraph for Sealy or Megabass either. See how that works out...
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 02:42 AM
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does this sound like the recent bounced check fiasco Media Bass went through recently?
when one of the partners passed the polygraph it should have been obvious there was no cheating going on in the boat....add to the fact that the guy in question was an accomplished fisherman who had won and passed polygraphs several times previously and it again becomes obvious that the polygraph operator was interpreting something wrong on the test.... suggest that the fisherman (or his lawyer) demand they be given the test again by an experienced operator and if they pass,be awarded the money owed to them and a public apology to all members of the trail be given by the owner... And we hear from the guy with the ax to grind with Media because he could use an ARig.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 02:44 AM
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Jarrett Latta
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Robby Rose was an accomplished angler who had passed many polygraphs.....
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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10/11/18 03:27 AM
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WAWI
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Wait wait wait....so guys on here are actually saying polygraphs shouldn't be a part of tournament trails? In what alternate universe are you living in? Can you imagine what would happen in a basschamps or a Texas Team Trail with those big prizes if everyone knows there won't be a polygraph given? It would be chaos lol.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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10/11/18 10:00 AM
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Fishspanker
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No polygraph for Sealy or Megabass either. See how that works out... If you failed one for absolutely no reason your tune would change. Right now you think it can't happen to you. I know a guy who I guarantee you could pass one and not even be on the lake. He was on probation for alcohol charges. As part of that the would be called in for random urine tests or polygraph. He could go out all night drinking and come back with a document saying he passed the polygraph. The guy was such a habitual liar that he didn't even have a reaction to lying.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 12:27 PM
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Okie Poke
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This should have all been kept behind closed doors. Especially, if the angler that failed has never had situations where his catches were questionable. Media takes over at that point, takes both anglers in a room, and polygraphs the other angler. If he passes, explain that the 1st one didn't, question both some more, and then move forward with awarding them 1st place. It's a decision that Media should have analyzed better instead of following the rules by the book. There are always exceptions to the rule....
Has the angler that failed poly ever been questioned or doubted about being honest? Answering this question should have allowed Media to make their best informed decision on what to do...
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 12:39 PM
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wsimpson
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For clarification, any contestant subject to a polygraph resulting in disqualification knowingly (or unknowingly) accepts the extreme risk of additional scrutiny and potential barring from entry in future related and/or unrelated events. Perhaps the scope of a DQ could be explicitly restricted to that single event and not impact future events? Repeated DQs could be addressed as a seperate issue...
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 01:41 PM
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TinRangerJim
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Polygraphs are not perfect, but they are the best solution we have right now. The topic has been discussed numerous times on the TFF over the last 20 years and I've never seen anyone come up with a viable replacement. Waterboarding might work...
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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10/11/18 01:41 PM
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Okie Poke
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Robby Rose was an accomplished angler who had passed many polygraphs..... Not everyone has had the opportunity to witness firsthand on how to fish a "flickering shad" pattern.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 01:45 PM
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Rangerkev
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Polygraph test are all we have to keep tournament fisherman honest. I think it's more of a detourant as far as making fisherman think before they decide to cheat. Basically it's all we have. When we sign up we know the rules. It is not the tournament directors fault of the test is failed. And as stated before, it doesnt matter if 1 passes and 1 fails. These test have been around for years. There is never a complaint as long as it is in favor of the fisherman. But once someone fails a test everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash the tournament trail. What if the tournament director said no big deal. 1 passed and 1 failed. Then handed them a check. Others would jump on this wagon. I feel bad for the 2 that this happened to. But once again it is all we have. And as the past has told, they are needed.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/11/18 01:51 PM
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dobbin
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This was behind closed doors until a Monday morning quarterback brought it to an open forum. William made the statement to state his side of it because it was brought here by an outside party that does not have a horse in the race. He made his statement and ask all to be civil in their statements which did not happen. Could I myself pass a polygraph do not know as I have never taken one but the rules state if you fish and win you will be given a polygraph. If I ever win a tournament we will see if I can. I as William would want to know why the test was failed and if we would stay out of it would make his life a lot easier to deal with the issue.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 01:52 PM
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Dug71
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I had a polygraph one time that the examiner wanted the opposite answer (lie) on half of the questions. Was some messed up questions on top of that. He was a weird dude too. Do you know how hard that is do especially when it was my first ever poly?!
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 02:10 PM
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Walls
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Polygraph test are all we have to keep tournament fisherman honest. I think it's more of a detourant as far as making fisherman think before they decide to cheat. Basically it's all we have. When we sign up we know the rules. It is not the tournament directors fault of the test is failed. And as stated before, it doesnt matter if 1 passes and 1 fails. These test have been around for years. There is never a complaint as long as it is in favor of the fisherman. But once someone fails a test everyone jumps on the bandwagon to bash the tournament trail. What if the tournament director said no big deal. 1 passed and 1 failed. Then handed them a check. Others would jump on this wagon. I feel bad for the 2 that this happened to. But once again it is all we have. And as the past has told, they are needed. IMHO, very well said and I agree 100%
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 02:40 PM
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Rob W.
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I had a polygraph one time that the examiner wanted the opposite answer (lie) on half of the questions. Was some messed up questions on top of that. He was a weird dude too. Do you know how hard that is do especially when it was my first ever poly?! Last one I took was like this also. On one series of questions he told me to purposely lie on question three. That question was "Are the lights on in this room?"
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
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10/11/18 06:13 PM
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TIM CLINE
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Why did they test the second partner if they were not going to award the prize regardless of a pass or fail?
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