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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: JohnG668]
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10/10/18 10:41 AM
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Mark Jones
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Ive heard one side. Ill hold judgement until I hear the other side. Im not going to cross Media off the list. I think they did what any other trail would do. If you fail, you walk empty handed. It may suck and it may cast an angler(s) in a bad light. Right or wrong, its the industry standard, its not like Media is only trail doing it. Without evidence a witness or a complaint shouldnt really matter. The rule is, you have to pass. I hope that it gets worked out. This. I simply cant believe some of these responses. Now everyones an attorney and/or expert on the validity of a polygraph test. Had Media let this go, there would be a whole contingent up in arms about that.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 10:58 AM
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reelswift
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Polygraphs are not a reliable method or deterrent to stop cheating in bass tournaments. Review the Robbie Rose case.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 11:23 AM
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triton37
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A tournament director therefore the tournament must always make decisions that protect the field.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 12:09 PM
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SAKS
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I agree the validity of the polygraph is lacking but what else is there? I have failed them. Told the truth about everything. Took the test again and lied through my teeth (on purpose) and failed again. I may be a little biased but they are just not accurate but again what else is there.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 01:20 PM
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bradnitro175
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Pay the entry, catch the fish, and put your faith on a machine to determine if you win or not.Polygraphs don't belong in fishing but that's just my opinion I geuss.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 01:35 PM
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dillydilly24
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Devils advocate, imagine the uproar if it got out that media paid someone who failed a poly.... the situation sucks and theres only 2 people that know if any cheating/rule breaking went on. Not saying I agree with DQing the team and I dont know where they would have placed, but lets just say it was right on the cut line, now put yourself in the shoes of the team that got bumped by a team that had someone fail a poly. Its a lose/lose, media did what they had to do, and Im not a media guy by any means, Ill never fish with them again after their last fiasco, theres just not a lot you can do in this situation.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 01:48 PM
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Barrett
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: Barrett]
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10/10/18 01:55 PM
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GIG'EM AGGIES
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Depends on the examiner.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: Mark Jones]
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10/10/18 02:24 PM
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texasbass1
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This.
I simply cant believe some of these responses. Now everyones an attorney and/or expert on the validity of a polygraph test. Had Media let this go, there would be a whole contingent up in arms about that.
Amen
Last edited by texasbass1; 10/10/18 02:25 PM.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 02:36 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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You rarely see failed polygraphs. Think about all the media's, basschamps, ttt, it just doesn't happen much and in my opinion it's hard to fail one if you are honest about everything. From my experience taking them, I've taken 2 media polygraphs, the pre test clarification is the key to the polygraph. They go over all the questions before hooking you up. At that point it's up to you to clear up anything and everything with the examiner. He can't read your mind, only the machine and interpretation.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 02:44 PM
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Brent S
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From reading this thread, it appears that polygraphs are pointless and people fail them daily.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 02:49 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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You get rid of polygraph, you'll have some serious issues on your hand with people winning big events that shouldn't...
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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10/10/18 03:16 PM
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Sinkey
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You rarely see failed polygraphs. Think about all the media's, basschamps, ttt, it just doesn't happen much and in my opinion it's hard to fail one if you are honest about everything. From my experience taking them, I've taken 2 media polygraphs, the pre test clarification is the key to the polygraph. They go over all the questions before hooking you up. This!!! There's pre-questions, then you will most of the time be asked the same question twice once you're hooked up. They even ask simple questions (name, etc.) just to get a read on you with the machine. But I agree with Jaret. They are very rarely failed.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 04:16 PM
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Dug71
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I've known people that have failed for something over 40 years ago and learned their lesson of what not to do and would never ever do anything to jeopardize it ever again and still can't fish big tourneys even when they call the director and explain now days. Used to you could call them and being totally honest up front showed integrity for not doing it again, but not in todays world, i guess.
It shouldn't haunt them the rest of their lives especially if it was a honest mistake or misunderstanding.
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Re: Statement from William Flournoy on Media Bass DQ
[Re: wff]
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10/10/18 04:24 PM
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Jigman
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Yall do realize one person could know a rule was broken and the other one does not ,which could cause one to fail and one to pass. Example, one fished during off limits and your partner not knowing.
Good Fishing.
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