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 Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/19/18 04:58 PM
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Po Boy
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Quit spending 73 million dollars on school football stadiums and spend that money on security systems.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/19/18 05:25 PM
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grandpa75672
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Have manned metal detectors at every school entrance any time a door is being used. Have random metal detector searches of all student lockers.
Wand students at random times. Any type of forbidden weapon results in immediate expulsion. The rule should be posted in every room and other conspicuous places in the school buildings. There should be no excuse for not knowing the rules.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/19/18 05:32 PM
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retdbasser
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We have the TSA to thwart airplane hijacking's with all the security apparatus and personnel. We should be able to learn something from that.
Prepare for the future-it will be here tomorrow.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/21/18 01:25 PM
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Snowman
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As a retired LEO who was over court security, the only way is to make it air tight, but its going to mean bucks. A sign prohibiting weapons is posted outside the entrance. It means one entrance staffed by two guards who run packs, coats etc. thru x-ray and then the person goes thru a walk thru metal detector. The guard also carries a hand wand. Students will exit thru one exit manned by a guard to prevent entry thru the exit. Everyone enters and exits the same, students, staff and visitors no exceptions. If a weapon is detected an immediate arrest is made. The only way this system is breached is if the perp enters with guns a blazing then the fight is on. Everything else Like armed teachers is fine but its all after the fact and thats too late. The perp doesnt have to be a student there and we can talk all day about what parents should be doing. Its obvious its not going to happen because adults have shown that they cant even get their act together and stay married much less raise up their kids in church.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Snowman]
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05/21/18 01:40 PM
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Bob Davis
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As a retired LEO who was over court security, the only way is to make it air tight, but its going to mean bucks. A sign prohibiting weapons is posted outside the entrance. It means one entrance staffed by two guards who run packs, coats etc. thru x-ray and then the person goes thru a walk thru metal detector. The guard also carries a hand wand. Students will exit thru one exit manned by a guard to prevent entry thru the exit. Everyone enters and exits the same, students, staff and visitors no exceptions. If a weapon is detected an immediate arrest is made. The only way this system is breached is if the perp enters with guns a blazing then the fight is on. Everything else Like armed teachers is fine but its all after the fact and thats too late. The perp doesnt have to be a student there and we can talk all day about what parents should be doing. Its obvious its not going to happen because adults have shown that they cant even get their act together and stay married much less raise up their kids in church. Yes, this ^^^^^
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Bob Davis]
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05/21/18 01:46 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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As a retired LEO who was over court security, the only way is to make it air tight, but its going to mean bucks. A sign prohibiting weapons is posted outside the entrance. It means one entrance staffed by two guards who run packs, coats etc. thru x-ray and then the person goes thru a walk thru metal detector. The guard also carries a hand wand. Students will exit thru one exit manned by a guard to prevent entry thru the exit. Everyone enters and exits the same, students, staff and visitors no exceptions. If a weapon is detected an immediate arrest is made. The only way this system is breached is if the perp enters with guns a blazing then the fight is on. Everything else Like armed teachers is fine but its all after the fact and thats too late. The perp doesnt have to be a student there and we can talk all day about what parents should be doing. Its obvious its not going to happen because adults have shown that they cant even get their act together and stay married much less raise up their kids in church. Yes, this ^^^^^ +1
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Po Boy]
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05/21/18 01:57 PM
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soggybottom
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Quit spending 73 million dollars on school football stadiums and spend that money on security systems. HAHAHAHA, good one. lol. that is nuts.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/21/18 02:56 PM
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donothin
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Many are offended when it is suggested that it is a mental health issue. I can understand why since it tends to lump everyone with a mental health issue into one group. But these kids who are shooters or for that matter those who use any kind of weapon for killing are very troubled. Almost always, after the fact, they are identified as having social issues, being bullied, horrible parents, etc. But meeting all of those criteria is legal, at least until some law is broken. They are obviously kids that need some help early on and it simply isn't available or isn't affordable.
I doubt that arming the schools will make much difference as often the shooters are suicidal and having armed guards would only increase the glory for them.
We need to treat the problem rather than the symptoms.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/21/18 03:21 PM
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fishslime
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I agree with PoBoy, HS football is over the top in this state.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/21/18 04:14 PM
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RickS.
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What drives me nuts is people, mostly liberals, seem to have trouble understanding that this is a multi layer problem. There isn't just a one size fits all quick fix. Until the root causes are addressed, things will not change. Until then the wheels on the bus go round and round.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Snowman]
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05/21/18 04:41 PM
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Sawhorse
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As a retired LEO who was over court security, the only way is to make it air tight, but its going to mean bucks. A sign prohibiting weapons is posted outside the entrance. It means one entrance staffed by two guards who run packs, coats etc. thru x-ray and then the person goes thru a walk thru metal detector. The guard also carries a hand wand. Students will exit thru one exit manned by a guard to prevent entry thru the exit. Everyone enters and exits the same, students, staff and visitors no exceptions. If a weapon is detected an immediate arrest is made. The only way this system is breached is if the perp enters with guns a blazing then the fight is on. Everything else Like armed teachers is fine but its all after the fact and thats too late. The perp doesnt have to be a student there and we can talk all day about what parents should be doing. Its obvious its not going to happen because adults have shown that they cant even get their act together and stay married much less raise up their kids in church. Perfect. Define what the goal is and then decide what were willing to do to achieve it. In this case the goal would be to make our schools at least as safe as we do our court buildings. We could easily develop a list of whats needed and how much it will cost. If were not willing to come up with the bucks to implement it then we have to define a different goal. We either want what were giving lip service about wanting or we dont... The contributors, like poor parenting, lack of discipline, video games, smart phones...etc. great, lets work on that. If you believe things you have no control of will change for the better, great. If and when progress is made we can re-visit our need to protect schools. Until then we (as a society) need to put up or shut up.
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: PondFish]
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05/21/18 04:54 PM
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butch sanders
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One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7. One way in and one way out in a school would probably be very high on the building code and fire code violation list. the doors operate on the way out in a fire with a push bar
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: Notaguide]
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05/21/18 05:06 PM
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UrsusVeritas
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Would you guys support an extra tax on guns and ammo if the revenue went 100% towards school security (more SROs, metal detectors, etc..)?
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: RickS.]
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05/21/18 05:15 PM
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soggybottom
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What drives me nuts is people, mostly liberals, seem to have trouble understanding that this is a multi layer problem. There isn't just a one size fits all quick fix. Until the root causes are addressed, things will not change. Until then the wheels on the bus go round and round. what I find is that people that always blame "liberals" for everything are just people that want nothing done about anything unless its to build another football stadium
pledge= fishstick
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies
[Re: UrsusVeritas]
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05/21/18 05:33 PM
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Bigbob_FTW
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Would you guys support an extra tax on guns and ammo if the revenue went 100% towards school security (more SROs, metal detectors, etc..)? no. why punish gun owners?
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