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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/25/18 08:43 PM
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basscaster46
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I used Big Game for years but it seams like the quality is not what it was many years ago. It breaks and cuts easy as compared to 20 years ago. I started trying fluorocarbon and i got so frustrated with making a cast, watching my $10 crankbait fly out into the lake with $14 worth of the fluorocarbon line that broke in the middle of the spool go with it. Ive set the hook and had my line break I dont know how many times with both Big Game and Flouro not to mention the hours Ive spent in the bottom of the boat trying all of these new fan dangled knots for the flouro. I spend half my day jacking with this stuff. Please help! whats a good line that will last more than one day of fishing? I like the way the flouro feels and looks but dang. What knot is best. I try the professional YouTube knot with the three tag ends and "BINK" when I set the hook.
Thank you for your help in advance I use big game cant break it you must have another issue
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: jmo49]
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02/25/18 08:49 PM
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basscaster46
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I have to chime in on my experience with Flouro, always been a mono guy, Stren clear blue for over 40 years, old school I guess, never a problem, was going to Falcon last month everyone said spool up 17-20 lb test for all the brush, so I thought I might try some Flouro that everyone raves about, bought a spool of Invisix 20 lb, it was like spooling up wire, casted very bad, broke twice on the spool,half way thru the day, respooled with my old school mono, lesson learned for me Ive tried floro did not like it way to much trouble back to big game also use mc coys copoly it is very good line. Doesnt have as much memory as big game. Only have problems big game when I leave it ona reel a long time without use. J D 
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/26/18 10:45 PM
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Bassalong
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Everywhere I look I see more complicated knots. Fortunately I have been getting by for years using the Palomar for fluorocarbon. I do it with a wrinkle that I got off the old Bass fishing Home Page website. I start by putting the line through the eye of the hook and then running it back through to form a loop. Then I tie a loose overhand knot and put the bait through it....all normal palomar procedure. Now I hold both the main line and the tag end and begin to start to pull the overhand knot down towards the lure to tighten. At this point you will see three loops, two of which point away from the lure and the other pointing toward the eye of the lure. I take this loop and pull it up the line above the other two. Then I wet this assembly and begin to gently tighten by alternately puling on the main line and then the tag end until they are close to the lure. At this point I continue alternately pulling until tight. This procedure has given me no problems with fluorocarbon when I am witnessing others having break offs with other knots. Now I'm not a seismic type hooksetter but I'm not breaking off now whereas I did in the past with other knots. For me, less complicated is better.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: DBFishing83]
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02/28/18 12:24 AM
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bubbaque
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Just use Suffix Siege ...... best dang stuff in the world (IMHO) quite worrying about lure specific application, stretch / no stretch, sensitivity etc etc etc use either 12-14 for lighter stuff use 17 or 20 if you want heavier stuff the JUST FISH IT ....... no worries. just add an extra loop or two on the knot, it seems slippery. I fish 17 suffix seige in stumps, rocks and heavy weeds. The stuff just won't break!!!!!
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 01:01 AM
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reinke
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Trilene 100% 12 to 15lb on drop shot. Mean Green on bottom baits 15 to 20lb. Big game on moving baits 10 to 12lb on deep divers 15 on all others.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 03:26 AM
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Bill Durham
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My experience over the years with floro has been just as frustrating at times as you have been going through. I started using it fishing a gin clear lake.. hence the motivation to fish with the line that the fish couldn't see. I didn't have success early on as I didn't know about wetting the knot.. that lesson cost me a few fish and baits! After that, I switched to Seaguar Invisix and have had much less problem with line breaking. But every now and then,. it still happens. I don't use full reels of Floro.. I use braid and floro leaders on my drop shot, deep cranking, CR, shakey head and jig rigs. On my rattle bait and shallow cranking rig.. Stren Low Viz Green.. 12lb test. I've used that brand of mono for a long time.. has always been quality. I still use the improved clinch knot to connect baits except drop shot.. Palomar on that one. I attach the floro leader to the braid with an Albright knot.. has worked great for me. I have been using a mono leader on my C Rig.. since it floats. Good luck with finding your solution.
BD
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 05:34 AM
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rxkid2001
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I guess I never fished with good mono because I can't notice a difference between mono and fluoro, minus the cost difference. Invisx is the first one I tried, now sunline sniper with no complaints about either. As stated above, I think there's another issue like a bad guide or something.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 08:00 AM
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Fork-LegendV21
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The only things I use mono line for is a top water like a yellow magic or a walking top water bait. Braid for frogs and buzzbaits. Fluorocarbon line for everything else. I live on Lake Fork and fish it almost every day so I have tried almost every brand of fluorocarbon available and I have to say that I love the Sunline Shooter and Sniper fluorocarbon lines. No break offs! Another thing I really like about Sunline is the diameter of their line is a lot smaller than most other brands. Sunlines 20lb test line has the diameter of Seagar 17lb test or close to it anyway. So you can fish with a little stronger line and it will not hurt the amount of bites or take a way a baits action.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 11:52 AM
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ezbassin
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Those small loops in your spool that you are having are causing your problem. They kink your line and if you make a cast with them still there your line will break and that seems to be what is happening. Set up your reel or practice thumbing the reel more so you get less over runs and that will help. When you have those loops down in the spool you MUST get them out before making a cast. Like someone else said, also check your rod guides because both of these lines should not break as much as they are for you.
If you want to try another line that isn't mono or a fluorocarbon then the three co-polymer lines previously suggested are good quality lines. P Line CX Premium McCoys Mean Green T Line by Mason
Last edited by ezbassin; 02/28/18 11:54 AM.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: bubbaque]
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02/28/18 12:00 PM
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ezbassin
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Just use Suffix Siege ...... best dang stuff in the world (IMHO) quite worrying about lure specific application, stretch / no stretch, sensitivity etc etc etc use either 12-14 for lighter stuff use 17 or 20 if you want heavier stuff the JUST FISH IT ....... no worries. just add an extra loop or two on the knot, it seems slippery. I fish 17 suffix seige in stumps, rocks and heavy weeds. The stuff just won't break!!!!! That's because it stretches and stretches and stretches. I tried it several years ago and unless they changed it, I thought it stretched like a rubber band. I couldn't stroke a jig with it correctly because it had too much stretch in it, but you are right, I never broke it....LOL it just keeps stretching.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: Bassalong]
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02/28/18 12:08 PM
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ezbassin
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Everywhere I look I see more complicated knots. Fortunately I have been getting by for years using the Palomar for fluorocarbon. I do it with a wrinkle that I got off the old Bass fishing Home Page website. I start by putting the line through the eye of the hook and then running it back through to form a loop. Then I tie a loose overhand knot and put the bait through it....all normal palomar procedure. Now I hold both the main line and the tag end and begin to start to pull the overhand knot down towards the lure to tighten. At this point you will see three loops, two of which point away from the lure and the other pointing toward the eye of the lure. I take this loop and pull it up the line above the other two. Then I wet this assembly and begin to gently tighten by alternately puling on the main line and then the tag end until they are close to the lure. At this point I continue alternately pulling until tight. This procedure has given me no problems with fluorocarbon when I am witnessing others having break offs with other knots. Now I'm not a seismic type hooksetter but I'm not breaking off now whereas I did in the past with other knots. For me, less complicated is better. That is the correct way to tie a Palomar Knot. After the loop goes over whatever you are tying on you pull the loops back away from it keeping it loose as you slowly tighten it up by pulling the main line and the tag line. That way the knot will stay loose right up to the point of getting tight. You do not burn the line that way. Now before you begin the knot you must not let the lines cross at any time. That will cause a break if they are crossed. I also make sure that the loop that went over the bait or eyelet of the hook tightens down between the eyelet and the knot instead of in front of the knot against the main line.
Last edited by ezbassin; 02/28/18 12:14 PM.
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 12:15 PM
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hookinbass
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I use 15lb big game and a well lubed and Improved Clinch Knot.. no ssues with breaking.. couldnt get any simpler..
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Re: Flourocarbon and Big Game Frustrations
[Re: PettyBigBass]
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02/28/18 01:52 PM
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catslayer
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It aint the line... your doing something funky. Wet and cinch your knots slow. I'm a fan of the double-uni knot personally, breaking in the spool makes me wonder where the line is when not in use? Inside? or at least in a garage? I hold NOTHING back on hook set with 20 lb sunline...
"I'll never mess with bee's or wasp anymore, and I'll never gig another beaver..." Words from a man who learned things the hard way
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