Yall forget Butch stopped an entire neighborhood raid from his front porch in the beautiful upper class city of Arlington Texas. The Police were only there to study his tactics.

pretty well documented
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I don't know the answer to this, nor am I interested in what ought to be...

Could the rifleman who killed the church shooter be held criminally responsible for the shooter's death? What law would protect him in this case? He wan't in imminent danger, so self defense seems to be off the table.

He probably could be charged with a murder or manslaughter crime. But I doubt you'd find a grand jury that would vote to indict him.

A year and a half ago a house down the street caught fire with 2 elderly people inside, although not professionals in any way a neighbor and I ran into the burning house and helped the 2 outside. Police and fire dept. arrived as we came out into the front yard. It took hours by fire trucks from several cities to put out the fire, total loss.

My neighbor and I never thought about what we were doing till after it was done, all we thought about was finding everyone in the house with the ceiling and walls burning and smoke everywhere. Not heroes, just helpful neighbors.

I am quite sure I would try to neutralize a shooter if I was caught in that type situation.

I've noticed over and over it being reported as a self inflicted gunshot wound as the cause of death. I don't know if that's Texas Justice putting an end to that right there, but I'm ok with it if it does.

Also might have a look at Texas Penal Code 9.33

Nocona, that seems pretty clear. Thanks.

Which was exactly why we stopped to help the woman being attacked by dogs. We really could not see what was happening but heard her cries for help and stopped. My son got the flashlight out and was getting a golf club out to beat the dogs off if need be when she ran up to our vehicle. I did not have a phone but another motorist did and they called 911. I wish we would have been able to do more but they did get her to the hospital and care flighted her to a hospital in Plano. I think the dogs broke and ran away when my son lit them up with the flashlight. She was half naked and I did not have anything to give her to wrap up in. No one looked at her being naked other than to make sure there were no spurting arterial bleeds. They ripped her to shreds but our local police did find most of the dogs and they were put down.

Same with the thugs that were breaking into our neighbors exterior storage shed. The police caught them red-handed taking electrical wire from the shed and what had been connected to the house. My husband did not even want me to call and report it but I did anyway because if they were breaking into my home, I would appreciate someone calling it in and stopping them. I would definitely do it again even if I saw they had guns and I would report to law enforcement they are armed. I hate thieves.

No.... Texas penal code chapter 9 allows the use of deadly force to protect yourself or another from assaultive behavior that could cause serious bodily injury or death

I don't think Butch is saying he'd roll over, but he wouldn't just stand up and fire a pistol with 6-15 shots from 100' away in a open area vs a guy with a rifle and 30 rounds or more.

There are very few of us on here who have ever been in combat or under fire (I'm not one) so to say with 100% that you would go towards the fire is nonsense. Especially in the situation of you with a CCW against someone with an AR-15 and several magazines.

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thanks Friend
thats exactly what i was saying

http://www.historylink.org/File/8767
Bad guy- AK, 80rd drum, multiple 30rd mags.. Dead
Good guy- standard issue Beretta M9. 4 shots, 2 hits, 80 yards in the open, no cover..Alive

I will die for my family. SO, yes I would do anything for them. If I bum rush shooter, his attention will be on me and not the other 50 people. He better shoot fast cause I can run a sprint in a matter of seconds. Ever try to hit a moving target? It's not easy.....well the cops on tv make it look easy, but as people say....the odds are on my side. I will take the risk for my family. Just in my nature....I won't even think twice.

100' foot, I can narrow that gap in a matter of seconds.