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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Ian Fellenbaum]
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10/01/17 10:14 AM
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Bradshuflin aka hunter'sdad
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I doubt I ever have to worry about catching a Sal, but atleast now I can help with all the 8 and 9lb fish I catch thinking I finally broke the Dd mark.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: BThomas]
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10/01/17 10:31 AM
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Mike Keenan
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If trout would survive in Texas lakes the Bass would be bigger. Trout is a key meal for bass in California. Trout is definitely the major key...
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: moto382]
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10/01/17 10:44 AM
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A lot of those fish were killed by anglers holding them wrong which resulted in broken jaws.You never hold big fish by one hand. California fish get large because of the presence of trout and salmon.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Ian Fellenbaum]
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10/01/17 02:36 PM
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NoWeighers
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A couple of thoughts..
I'm not sure how all this is going to work.. But if you have to drag a fish to a weigh station and handle her, it ain't good for her.. I think we can all agree on that..
Whatever size she is.. Of course it ain't good for her to be caught at all, but I don't think any of us are ready to quit fishing just yet..
As far as breeding fish that are non pure, but grew to behemoth size, it is about time.. While they may not be pure Florida, they may have the Florida gene that turned them into Rosie proportions.. If there is such a thing..
Something that I have been talking about for years..
We could slam the door on this conversation if PAW just came out with the results of their mystery experiment where they put Pure Florida bass in one pond, and Pure Sharelunker bass in a similar pond, and fed them similarly.. And recorded their growth..
But I am afraid my grandchildren may not even hear the news..
If you put perfume on a pig.. You still got a pig..
This new and improved SL program will not grow any more or bigger fish than the old one.. But it might make a few new hard nipples in the fishing community..
We'll see..
Last edited by NoWeighers; 10/01/17 03:06 PM.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: BThomas]
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10/01/17 03:12 PM
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Bryanmc57
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If trout would survive in Texas lakes the Bass would be bigger. Trout is a key meal for bass in California. Exactly. They don't spend a dime on bass in California, they spend it on trout and salmon, the byproduct is big bass but it's not intentional.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: fouzman]
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10/01/17 03:16 PM
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Bryanmc57
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Spawning the intergrades and stocking right back into the donating fishery. No more rejection like Steez' fish and, offspring from a proven beast are produced. How can that be a bad thing?
Of course, if you're simply against the SAL program, none of this matters.
Well said!
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Ian Fellenbaum]
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10/01/17 03:23 PM
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Easy Fisherman
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They have received so much negative publicity and got caught lying to the people that donated the big bass to them( as like the man in Athens) who sent back all they gave him in prizes because they lied --- well something had to change because people had come out from under the ether and figured out that the main purpose was to create jobs ,not what they claimed the intent of the program was. Well when by their own sats that once the small baby bass are released in the lake that only about 2 % make it , the program has little affect. That means that at least 95% of all bass come from lake females. Wonder why some states protect the bass while spawning ?
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: fouzman]
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10/01/17 03:38 PM
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Fork-LegendV21
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How will these changes lead to more dead big fish? SAL will still only attempt to spawn fish caught during the same period of time as always. They're just attempting to change the program to year-round data collection through angler participation. Sounds like they may not even pick fish up outside the narrow spawning window, any longer. For all those who have said they wouldn't donate a fish to the program, now you can donate the info on the fish while leaving her right where she is.
I see some more positives here.
Converting the hatchery to 100% SAL offspring. These are special fish with the potential to grow large very fast. Folks will say they've never proven SAL offspring to grow larger than any other pure florida bass. They've never been proven to grow smaller, either. I'll take hatcheries full of them!
Spawning the intergrades and stocking right back into the donating fishery. No more rejection like Steez' fish and, offspring from a proven beast are produced. How can that be a bad thing?
Of course, if you're simply against the SAL program, none of this matters. One reason I see more dead big fish is more people wanting to get a 8lb fish certified now... especially if this fish is caught out deep in the summer time and people just putting the fish in their livewell with surface temps in the 80-90's... just my opinion though
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Ian Fellenbaum]
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10/01/17 04:28 PM
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Some of you guys act like a largemouth bass, or even a 10 lbs is a rare endangered animal. Most are to young to remember when a 5 lb bass would make headlines in the Dallas newspapers! TPWD has progressed the quality and quantity of catching bass 1000% percent in the past 30 years. A few have died in the process but the results have revolutionized bass fishing. If you are so against this program then catch a big fish take a picture and release it. There is no law that says you have to participate.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: moto382]
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10/01/17 04:49 PM
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Just look at how many sharelunkers have been killed because of it!! It doesn't help produce bigger bass. Let's see CA doesn't have any program like this and will alway produce bigger than Texas ever will!! A 13lb bass in CA probably won't even get turned in!! Lake Ray Robert lake record bass is dead because of it! Most tournament fisherman take well care of there catch and the death rate in tournaments are very low!! one of the most ignorant posts ive ever read...
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: BThomas]
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10/01/17 10:57 PM
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[quote=BThomas]If trout would survive in Texas lakes the Bass would be bigger. Trout is a key meal for bass in California. [7/quote]
AMEN add trout momma gets really fat
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Ian Fellenbaum]
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10/01/17 11:08 PM
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gary purdy
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My biggest problem is that where bass are deemed to be an invasive species and it is illegal to release the bass back into the lake, they grow bigger. Japan
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: gary purdy]
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10/02/17 01:00 AM
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My biggest problem is that where bass are deemed to be an invasive species and it is illegal to release the bass back into the lake, they grow bigger. Japan Yes but in those lakes where it is illegal to return them guess what they are full of? Yep trout. There are 2 species a lot like our rainbow and brook trout that are native and they are the main species in those lakes.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Fork-LegendV21]
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10/02/17 02:36 PM
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fouzman
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How will these changes lead to more dead big fish? SAL will still only attempt to spawn fish caught during the same period of time as always. They're just attempting to change the program to year-round data collection through angler participation. Sounds like they may not even pick fish up outside the narrow spawning window, any longer. For all those who have said they wouldn't donate a fish to the program, now you can donate the info on the fish while leaving her right where she is.
I see some more positives here.
Converting the hatchery to 100% SAL offspring. These are special fish with the potential to grow large very fast. Folks will say they've never proven SAL offspring to grow larger than any other pure florida bass. They've never been proven to grow smaller, either. I'll take hatcheries full of them!
Spawning the intergrades and stocking right back into the donating fishery. No more rejection like Steez' fish and, offspring from a proven beast are produced. How can that be a bad thing?
Of course, if you're simply against the SAL program, none of this matters. One reason I see more dead big fish is more people wanting to get a 8lb fish certified now... especially if this fish is caught out deep in the summer time and people just putting the fish in their livewell with surface temps in the 80-90's... just my opinion though The press release said nothing about getting those smaller fish certified. Just that there would be a web-based application where anglers could submit their data. I think weighed, measured, photo'd and released right there in the boat will probably be sufficient, but don't know for sure.
"Things turn out best for those who make the best of the way things turn out" - Zachary Troy Schrah - a young man with vision far beyond his years.
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Re: Sharelunker program changes
[Re: Ian Fellenbaum]
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10/02/17 04:09 PM
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BMCD
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I never really payed attention but wasn't the donation period longer in years past. Seem to remember Oct thru May. Maybe that was 2015?
Last edited by BMCD; 10/02/17 04:12 PM.
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