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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: ezbassin]
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08/16/17 02:09 AM
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Happykamper
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Probably gonna move Triton production there, kill legend in hopes of being able to fill orders someday. Wasn't there a minor drug test issue in Arkansas faculty? LOL choose Triton over a Legend.. Not. I happen to run a Triton for several years, had Rangers before that, I will put my 2017 TRX against any boat made, it will out ride and outrun most all bass boats, not including the speed demons. I could bash a Legend but I will keep it classy.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: the skipper]
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08/16/17 02:12 AM
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Happykamper
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There's 2 philosophies out there, live debt free or finance stuff and use the extra money to gain more. In the end neither are really wrong. You pay now or later I chose the latter, it works both ways, only thing is I been enjoying the finer things in life since i was 25 years old, I am 57 now.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Happykamper]
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08/16/17 12:56 PM
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Happykamper
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Probably gonna move Triton production there, kill legend in hopes of being able to fill orders someday. Wasn't there a minor drug test issue in Arkansas faculty? LOL choose Triton over a Legend.. Not. I happen to run a Triton for several years, had Rangers before that, I will put my 2017 TRX against any boat made, it will out ride and outrun most all bass boats, not including the speed demons. I could bash a Legend but I will keep it classy. I should have said run and ride with the best of them, not better.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: CHUNK-N-WINDING]
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08/16/17 01:45 PM
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HARD WORKN HAROLD
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HUH  I don't know what will happen in this case, but I have some guide buddies that were with Skeeter before they came out with the pre-packaged boats and they had to take a big hit because the Skeeters that were packaged were selling new for less than their Team Deal they had + the adds they put on them. I bought a 2013 21I with 17 hours on it for 50k in 2014 and the previous owner left his sales invoice in the document bag and he paid 78k for it. That equates to $1647 an hour he paid to own it for a year.
DON'T LET THE CLOTHES FOOL YA Life is too short to fish with a dead cricket! PB: wife of 40 years
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Chris G]
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08/16/17 02:09 PM
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Joefishin
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A house appreciates in value good loan, a vehicle is a necessity. A boat is a luxury that loses 25% of it value the day you pull it off the lot. A 72 month to 120 month loan on a boat or a car is an absolute lose an thousands of dollars. If one wants to just keep their head above water and never get ahead then finance away.
I don't think that JM will kill Legend boats. At least for a while.
used Legends boats always take a minimum of about 1 to 1.5 yrs to sell. Now it will take over 2 years.
I just love how ignorant the TFF can be at times. Both of these comments prove it. I have worked my arse off and have been pretty blessed in life over the last 20 years which has afforded me the ability to do pretty much whatever I want. When I bought my first Legend in 2012, it was an 11 month old Alpha 199 that I paid $41,000 and yes I financed it for 5 years. I paid extra on every month's payment then decided it was finally time to upgrade to the V20 this past March. After my V20 was rigged up and I picked it up, Billy Sartin listed my 199. It sold in 10 days for $38,000. So I had the boat for 4+ years and used it on 75% of the weekends and sold it for $3K less than what I bought it for. Yes, I added a power pole and new 9" graphs but you can see the Legends hold their value. Right now the biggest issue Legend has is being able to keep up with their backlog of boats being ordered. I also think some more info on the sale will come out over time and people will realize it's not exactly what it appears to be. 5 years of financing is normal, I think the OP is talking about 10+ year notes...... Secondly, you lost more than 3k buddy, Powerpoles are what 1k a piece, so that's 2k. How much where those 9 inch graphs lets say a conservative 1,200 bucks, that's another 2.4k. So you lost 7.4k Which honestly still is pretty dang good on an 11 month old boat that you had for 5 years.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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08/16/17 02:29 PM
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Ken A.
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I've owned three Tritons and now a Legend. All were/are great boats. The Tritons were faster for sure. I found no issue with them. They also had a narrow front deck but that was remedied. Same with my current Legend. I have a 2011 Alpha 211 with a rather narrow front deck now. Legend has remedied that as well. From my perspective it would be hard to bash either one.
If you really look closely at a Legend, it is apparent they take great pains in the fit & finish out of their product. I'm not talking about walking around it at the dealer ship. I'm talking about opening it up and really looking. Things that are not obvious like using closed gel packs for the seat cushions instead of inexpensive foam that retains water and gets you wet.
Finishing out the battery storage compartment like the rest of the boat rather than spraying in the spackle finish like many others to cover imperfections. IMO, things like this cheapen the boat, doesn't make it a bad product but it looks cheap to me.
The analogy I use is spraying the cottage cheese looking stuff on the ceiling at a home rather than finishing it out like a custom home using a trowel and plaster. It is a way to cut a corner and save money. The same goes when you compare hand-scraped wood floors in your home to the engineered wood flooring. I just built a new home so I guess that's why I am coming up with all the home building analogies. (Geez, I did not know how much this little project was gonna cost)
Here are my thoughts. If I go into the bathroom of a restaurant and is filthy, to me it is a pretty good indicator of what the kitchen looks like. If the area I CAN see is dirty, what does the area look like that I CANNOT see. I won't go back to that restaurant.
Just to be clear; I'm not saying having a spackle finish in the bilge area makes your boat inferior. I just look more closely at the deets than most folks.
Having said all that, I spoke to Randy Qualls (previous Legend owner) last week and he assured me that Legend had a bright future and that JM had no intention of killing the line. But then again, that's what they always say when they sell a company. Been there done that too.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Ken A.]
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08/16/17 02:32 PM
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Sinkey
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I've owned three Tritons and now a Legend. All were/are great boats. The Tritons were faster for sure. I found no issue with them. They also had a narrow front deck but that was remedied. Same with my current Legend. I have a 2011 Alpha 211 with a rather narrow front deck now. Legend has remedied that as well. From my perspective it would be hard to bash either one.
If you really look closely at a Legend, it is apparent they take great pains in the fit & finish out of their product. I'm not talking about walking around it at the dealer ship. I'm talking about opening it up and really looking. Things that are not obvious like using closed gel packs for the seat cushions instead of inexpensive foam that retains water and gets you wet.
Finishing out the battery storage compartment like the rest of the boat rather than spraying in the spackle finish like many others to cover imperfections. IMO, things like this cheapen the boat, doesn't make it a bad product but it looks cheap to me.
The analogy I use is spraying the cottage cheese looking stuff on the ceiling at a home rather than finishing it out like a custom home using a trowel and plaster. It is a way to cut a corner and save money. The same goes when you compare hand-scraped wood floors in your home to the engineered wood flooring. I just built a new home so I guess that's why I am coming up with all the home building analogies. (Geez, I did not know how much this little project was gonna cost)
Here are my thoughts. If I go into the bathroom of a restaurant and is filthy, to me it is a pretty good indicator of what the kitchen looks like. If the area I CAN see is dirty, what does the area look like that I CANNOT see. I won't go back to that restaurant.
Just to be clear; I'm not saying having a spackle finish in the bilge area makes your boat inferior. I just look more closely at the deets than most folks.
Having said all that, I spoke to Randy Qualls (previous Legend owner) last week and he assured me that Legend had a bright future and that JM had no intention of killing the line. But then again, that's what they always say when they sell a company. Been there done that too.
Keep your receipt on your Legend Ken, you'll be able to return it at Bass Pro Shops before too long!  jk.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Sinkey]
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08/16/17 02:46 PM
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I've owned three Tritons and now a Legend. All were/are great boats. The Tritons were faster for sure. I found no issue with them. They also had a narrow front deck but that was remedied. Same with my current Legend. I have a 2011 Alpha 211 with a rather narrow front deck now. Legend has remedied that as well. From my perspective it would be hard to bash either one.
If you really look closely at a Legend, it is apparent they take great pains in the fit & finish out of their product. I'm not talking about walking around it at the dealer ship. I'm talking about opening it up and really looking. Things that are not obvious like using closed gel packs for the seat cushions instead of inexpensive foam that retains water and gets you wet.
Finishing out the battery storage compartment like the rest of the boat rather than spraying in the spackle finish like many others to cover imperfections. IMO, things like this cheapen the boat, doesn't make it a bad product but it looks cheap to me.
The analogy I use is spraying the cottage cheese looking stuff on the ceiling at a home rather than finishing it out like a custom home using a trowel and plaster. It is a way to cut a corner and save money. The same goes when you compare hand-scraped wood floors in your home to the engineered wood flooring. I just built a new home so I guess that's why I am coming up with all the home building analogies. (Geez, I did not know how much this little project was gonna cost)
Here are my thoughts. If I go into the bathroom of a restaurant and is filthy, to me it is a pretty good indicator of what the kitchen looks like. If the area I CAN see is dirty, what does the area look like that I CANNOT see. I won't go back to that restaurant.
Just to be clear; I'm not saying having a spackle finish in the bilge area makes your boat inferior. I just look more closely at the deets than most folks.
Having said all that, I spoke to Randy Qualls (previous Legend owner) last week and he assured me that Legend had a bright future and that JM had no intention of killing the line. But then again, that's what they always say when they sell a company. Been there done that too.
Keep your receipt on your Legend Ken, you'll be able to return it at Bass Pro Shops before too long!  jk. Ken you got to laugh at this one its just to funny. Ken look at it this way you could get a new boat if you kept your old receipt. LOL
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Bass_Taco]
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08/16/17 03:56 PM
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Fork-LegendV21
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used Legends boats always take a minimum of about 1 to 1.5 yrs to sell. Now it will take over 2 years. It was no problem on both my cousin and I selling our Legend Alpha 211's within a Week for the price we wanted for each! I just got my new Legend V21 and it is an awesome boat to.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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08/16/17 04:39 PM
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DanXB-21
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Why would JM buy Legend for the facilities??? He paid extra for the name, molds, ect. and assumed any debt that Legend owes... Wouldn't it better business to build your own facility and hire a way any talent needed???... Building your own to your specs has to be cheaper... Just a gut feeling, Legend joins the list of "name the boat companies of old"... Dan
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"The problem with having a sense of humor is often that people you use it on aren't in a very good mood"... Lou Holtz
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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08/16/17 06:08 PM
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ssmith
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it was a great business deal for jm he has control of the brand an the building I would bet he did not over pay for either.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: DanXB-21]
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08/17/17 01:22 AM
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Happykamper
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Why would JM buy Legend for the facilities??? He paid extra for the name, molds, ect. and assumed any debt that Legend owes... Wouldn't it better business to build your own facility and hire a way any talent needed???... Building your own to your specs has to be cheaper... Just a gut feeling, Legend joins the list of "name the boat companies of old"... Dan To eliminate 150-200 boats from the market, and it is usually much cheaper to buy an existing facility that is operating than starting from scratch. I am not trying to say he will discontinue Legend, it just does not make that much business sense to keep them, the Legend brand really does not offer anything more than a Ranger, Triton, or Nitro except for maybe fit and finish, other than that they are all great boats. I think the Legend is one of the best looking boats out there, I hope for all the Legend owners he keeps them, just don't cut out my Triton, lol.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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08/17/17 01:50 AM
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tmd11111
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Champion Cobra Hawk Stratos Astro Procraft Hydrasport Stroker The list goes on and if Legend joins it, it will have no bearing on the market.
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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08/17/17 01:59 AM
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the skipper
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I read somewhere that legend isn't using a lot of their facility to build boats. They could still build legend and use the other part of the facility for other boats, bay boats I heard. All speculation of course
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Re: Johnny Morris buys Legend?
[Re: Fork-LegendV21]
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08/17/17 04:22 AM
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Accutrigger33
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used Legends boats always take a minimum of about 1 to 1.5 yrs to sell. Now it will take over 2 years. It was no problem on both my cousin and I selling our Legend Alpha 211's within a Week for the price we wanted for each! I just got my new Legend V21 and it is an awesome boat to. You are correct sir...i had mine up for sale for 5 days before someone came a bought it at full asking price!!
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