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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
[Re: fouzman]
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02/28/17 10:28 PM
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Jpurdue, We are in agreement on that point, yet we find the behavior reprehensible. Why is that behavior reprehensible and homosexuality not? Morality. Not biology. The biology is irrelevant when it comes to humans. We ALWAYS have a choice in our behavior (with some exceptions).
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:29 PM
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Funny not a single person thinks this might be a spiritual problem but it is "genetics". One other thing ... as far as the treatment this young lady got we're only getting her side of the story. We all know that there's her's, his (dad's) and then the truth. I would not accept my child living that kind of lifestyle but would not shun them nor hold it over them but continue to love them and show them that. I would battle in the spiritual realm for them. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Make no mistake that The Bible states that homosexual behavior is sinful. Jesus said to go and sin no more ... this means end that particular sin behavior ... we all sin (I do daily), but we are admonished to stop (get control of) particular sins and to continually work toward a holy nature. There is no license to sin. Homosexual behavior is a form of lust and sexual immorality is very detestable to God. Long read (Feel free to skip): http://www.scottlively.net/2014/12/26/th...y-in-the-bible/ You mention adultry also. What did Jesus do when they brought an adulter before him and asked if they should stone her as the old law required? He told the adulteress to go and sin no more. This is the Samaritan lady at the well. In the incident you ask about he said let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone. What is your point? Are you inferring I was casting stones? Different stories. Samaritan woman at the well and woman caught in adultery are different people. Carry on.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:31 PM
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"Try to think about it without calling it judging. Disagreeing with something is not judging. "
Sure, there is a difference between judging and disagreeing.
Saying cake is the best desert in the whole wide world because you're lactose intolerant and have never tried ice cream is disagreeing.
Nagging, harping, and dare I say preaching at those who like ice cream and practically condemning them to hell is full on being self righteous and judgemental.
To disown your kid, to not allow them in your home, to not allow someone they love who makes them happy into your home makes me doubt Christ is really in your home as much as you claim or think.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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Different stories. Samaritan woman at the well and woman caught in adultery are different people. Carry on.

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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:36 PM
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And yet there's a whole lot more in the bible about Judge not lest ye be judged. Love thy neighbor. Forgive those who trespass against you. Love one another. But let there be one obscure line from Leviticus and boy howdy are we on top of that!
Nothing says good Christian family values better than disowning blood.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
[Re: Kattelyn]
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02/28/17 10:38 PM
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And yet there's a whole lot more in the bible about Judge not lest ye be judged. Love thy neighbor. Forgive those who trespass against you. Love one another. But let there be one obscure line from Leviticus and boy howdy are we on top of that!
Nothing says good Christian family values better than disowning blood. How judgemental of you.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:41 PM
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You mention adultry also. What did Jesus do when they brought an adulter before him and asked if they should stone her as the old law required?
He told the adulteress to go and sin no more. This is the Samaritan lady at the well. In the incident you ask about he said let he who is without sin cast the 1st stone. What is your point? Are you inferring I was casting stones? Different stories. Samaritan woman at the well and woman caught in adultery are different people. Carry on. The Samaritan woman had been "married" 5 times and was at the time living with someone whom she was not married to. True, Jesus didn't mention adultery but just what is aduletry? Many Christian theologies consider multiple marriages as adulterous.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:43 PM
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Jpurdue, We are in agreement on that point, yet we find the behavior reprehensible. Why is that behavior reprehensible and homosexuality not? Morality. Not biology. The biology is irrelevant when it comes to humans. We ALWAYS have a choice in our behavior (with some exceptions). Agree with your point. I'll argue as other have argued though. Put the shoe on the other foot. If the morality of the matter were reversed, and being gay was the "moral" orientation, could you force yourself to be gay? Most I think would find that difficult or impossible. I'm not suggesting morality is fluid, as I believe it also has a basis in biology, I'm simply presenting this as a thought experiment.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:47 PM
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"Try to think about it without calling it judging. Disagreeing with something is not judging. "
Sure, there is a difference between judging and disagreeing.
Most poignant thing I've read here and what many folks hide behind. How in the world can one seek to live a clean and holy lifestyle without discerning what is actually wrong (sinful). So when someone calls it out for what they say it is they are not being judgeful ... that requires you condemning them for whatever act they are doing. Like saying "You're going to He11 for _______________ "! God is the one and only one to judge sin.as guilty or not.
Advice? Wise men don't need it. Fools won't heed it !
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:50 PM
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There are fundamental differences between urges/preferences, tendencies, and actions. The vast majority of conversations on this topic do not draw distinctions between these three things.
1. Urges/Preferences: Regardless of religious or political beliefs, I just don't understand how one can come to the conclusion that homosexual urges/preferences are a choice. If heterosexual urges/preferences are not a choice, than logic would indicate the inverse to be true as well.
2. Tendencies: Of the 3, tendencies are the most debatable. I believe people have varying control of their tendencies based on the strength of their urges/preferences.
3. Actions: Just like I cannot see how people can dispute #1 as fact, I do not see how people can dispute that actions are choices. Humans have free will to choose how they act.
To answer the OP questions, I would not love or treat my children any differently. Their urges/preferences are beyond their control, they have little control over their tendencies, and I would not ask them to suppress their actions based on their physiological makeup.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:51 PM
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RayBob, Sorry, I was not clear. I wasn't making any statement as to the content of this side discussion, only pointing out the woman at the well story (who had been married multiple times and now living with a man who was not her husband) and the woman caught in adultery that was about to be stoned were different stories. Just clarification, nothing more.
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:52 PM
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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RayBob, Sorry, I was not clear. I wasn't making any statement as to the content of this side discussion, only pointing out the woman at the well story (who had been married multiple times and now living with a man who was not her husband) and the woman caught in adultery that was about to be stoned were different stories. Just clarification, nothing more. 
Advice? Wise men don't need it. Fools won't heed it !
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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02/28/17 10:55 PM
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Didn't Dale Hansen already solve this dilemma for the rest of mankind?
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Re: If Your Child Came Out As Gay?
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Sure thing, Kattelyn! Let's hope no one judges us for commiting adultery against our spouses! 
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