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Dedicated Power to Electronics
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02/20/17 10:10 PM
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Huckleberry
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Anyone have one battery for their electronics only? Thinking about adding another battery just for my electronics. Also getting a single bank on board charger for it. I already have a 4 bank for the three batteries on the trolling motor and the 1 cranking. Would also be nice to know I'm isolated from everything else.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12103548
02/20/17 10:30 PM
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ColoradoAg
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Seems like a lot of unnecessary weight in the boat. You'd probably be better suited just buying a bigger and better starting battery that can run your electronics all day.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12103570
02/20/17 10:41 PM
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JT Evans
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When I converted from Humminbird to Lowrance I made the mistake of wiring into the original wiring point under the console when I networked my two units. The voltage drop from starting the motor caused the bow unit to power off. I did consider a fourth dedicated battery but instead ran a dedicated line from the crank battery straight to the bus bar for my networked graphs and it solved the problem.
The wifey had an orange extension cord she chopped into while trimming hedges so I used the remnants and fished it through the gunnel to the back with a electricians snake.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: JT Evans]
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02/20/17 11:59 PM
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EtexSkeeter
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Yep...run a dedicated power and ground wire directly from the unit to the battery with a 3 amp in-line fuse. Solved my voltage drop problems as well. When I converted from Humminbird to Lowrance I made the mistake of wiring into the original wiring point under the console when I networked my two units. The voltage drop from starting the motor caused the bow unit to power off. I did consider a fourth dedicated battery but instead ran a dedicated line from the crank battery straight to the bus bar for my networked graphs and it solved the problem.
The wifey had an orange extension cord she chopped into while trimming hedges so I used the remnants and fished it through the gunnel to the back with a electricians snake.
Last edited by EtexSkeeter; 02/21/17 12:00 AM.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12103827
02/21/17 01:00 AM
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Flippin-Out
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You didn't say what problem you believe you are solving with the additional battery idea, if any. There is generally no necessity for another battery unless you have so much electronics drain that a large high performance boat battery is insufficient. Many anglers who think they need a second battery are actually battling voltage drops due to long runs of 16 gauge wire (in the factory harness) that may contain a number of splices that make matters even worse. The most likely improvement would come from adding a dedicated power distribution for the electronics. That should typically use 10 ga. (for power AND Ground) to get to the console where a new fuse block distributes power to each unit. Power for the bow unit comes from that fuse block using 12 ga. wire. The console units usually have power cables that connect directly to the fuse block. A nice fuse block for this provides 6 circuits with Ground, so can support 6 items that have a power cord. Keep in mind that the cheapie in-line fuse holder is not used when a fuse block is installed. The power feed TO this fuse block would be larger wire, such as 10 ga. and that should have a fuse close to the battery to protect that wire. It's fuse could be 20A if 10ga. wire is used. https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-...+sea+fuse+block
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12103953
02/21/17 02:14 AM
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Bobby Milam
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Yes, I do. My starter battery is a little small and I'd have to worry about it running too low to crank at times. I had an extra battery so I use it for electronics only and have never had an issue. Eventually, I will look at buying a larger cranking battery and trying just it alone but there is peace of mind to know I will never fight a dead battery.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12103993
02/21/17 02:29 AM
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Bullet20XrD
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I finally just bought a larger starting battery with more reserve amps and wired my graphs directly to the battery and problem solved. At one time I had an extra battery wired in tandem with my starting battery and still had issues with them turning off when i cranked my motor over, but ever since I wired direct they have performed flawlessly.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12104146
02/21/17 04:13 AM
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Hog Jaw
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All my electronics have been wired to the starter battery , no problem ,
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Flippin-Out]
#12104354
02/21/17 12:48 PM
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Huckleberry
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You didn't say what problem you believe you are solving with the additional battery idea, if any. There is generally no necessity for another battery unless you have so much electronics drain that a large high performance boat battery is insufficient. Many anglers who think they need a second battery are actually battling voltage drops due to long runs of 16 gauge wire (in the factory harness) that may contain a number of splices that make matters even worse. The most likely improvement would come from adding a dedicated power distribution for the electronics. That should typically use 10 ga. (for power AND Ground) to get to the console where a new fuse block distributes power to each unit. Power for the bow unit comes from that fuse block using 12 ga. wire. The console units usually have power cables that connect directly to the fuse block. A nice fuse block for this provides 6 circuits with Ground, so can support 6 items that have a power cord. Keep in mind that the cheapie in-line fuse holder is not used when a fuse block is installed. The power feed TO this fuse block would be larger wire, such as 10 ga. and that should have a fuse close to the battery to protect that wire. It's fuse could be 20A if 10ga. wire is used. https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-...+sea+fuse+block I started having a problem with the console graph turning off when I crank the motor. I'm no wiring guru and I didn't originally wire my boats electronics but I've gone over all the existing connections and can't see anything loose or obvious, I even installed a new battery. So now coincidentally I'm in the process of replacing all my Humminbird electronics over to Lowrance (12" gen III's boat in a box pkg.). I watched a you tube video of an install and they used this idea of a dedicated battery for the electronics and seemed like a good idea. Benefits...? No possibility of noise to the electronics via the battery connections, eliminates the guess work if you do start having any connectivity issues with the graphs, no added drain on the cranking battery (not that I ever had one before, it's an AGM group 31) Maybe it's overkill, I may just run dedicated wire from the cranking battery to a dedicated fuse block for electronics only as suggested above. Now what will I do with this new (1) bank charger?
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
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02/21/17 05:49 PM
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Ted Martin
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i had the console power issue as well. added a separate circuit box and ran 10ga to the battery and have that dedicated for my electronics - keeps me from having a bunch of wiring going all the way back to the battery. 
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: EtexSkeeter]
#12104990
02/21/17 05:55 PM
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David Burton
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Yep...run a dedicated power and ground wire directly from the unit to the battery with a 3 amp in-line fuse. Solved my voltage drop problems as well. When I converted from Humminbird to Lowrance I made the mistake of wiring into the original wiring point under the console when I networked my two units. The voltage drop from starting the motor caused the bow unit to power off. I did consider a fourth dedicated battery but instead ran a dedicated line from the crank battery straight to the bus bar for my networked graphs and it solved the problem.
The wifey had an orange extension cord she chopped into while trimming hedges so I used the remnants and fished it through the gunnel to the back with a electricians snake. I am looking to do something like this, my RayMarines get the voltage drop, and when one of the slave units go offline, it messes up the data master. To counter, I "power save" my units before cranking. I also get a drop from using my poles or fishing too long before cranking the battery to charge significant enough that I lose my front transducer power, and have to read off of one of the other three. I really understand the desire to separate some electronics to other batteries for this purpose...
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: JT Evans]
#12104991
02/21/17 05:55 PM
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Chato
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When I converted from Humminbird to Lowrance I made the mistake of wiring into the original wiring point under the console when I networked my two units. The voltage drop from starting the motor caused the bow unit to power off. I did consider a fourth dedicated battery but instead ran a dedicated line from the crank battery straight to the bus bar for my networked graphs and it solved the problem.
The wifey had an orange extension cord she chopped into while trimming hedges so I used the remnants and fished it through the gunnel to the back with a electricians snake. ^^ I also had to run a wire for my touch 9 to battery..not enough at console
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Huckleberry]
#12105026
02/21/17 06:10 PM
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Shallow Waters
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When I had my new electronics installed in January I had them put another battery in just for the electronics (had 3, now have 4). I have 1 battery for cranking that is inline with my electronics battery so it will charge both batteries when the outboard is running, the other 2 are for the trolling motor only. I would think with 4 batteries already, you should be good and should nt need another battery, are you sure you need 3 batteries for the TM?
Also, the new units with 9+ inch screens draw a lot of power over the day. I run a 10 and 9 (HB's) and a 360 transducer, and I leave them on all day on the water (have LED's also for low light hours that run off same battery), so I would definitely suggest a dedicated battery for electronics, but probably not a 5th battery.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Shallow Waters]
#12105301
02/21/17 08:51 PM
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Huckleberry
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When I had my new electronics installed in January I had them put another battery in just for the electronics (had 3, now have 4). I have 1 battery for cranking that is inline with my electronics battery so it will charge both batteries when the outboard is running, the other 2 are for the trolling motor only. I would think with 4 batteries already, you should be good and should nt need another battery, are you sure you need 3 batteries for the TM?
Also, the new units with 9+ inch screens draw a lot of power over the day. I run a 10 and 9 (HB's) and a 360 transducer, and I leave them on all day on the water (have LED's also for low light hours that run off same battery), so I would definitely suggest a dedicated battery for electronics, but probably not a 5th battery. It's a 36 volt TM.
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Re: Dedicated Power to Electronics
[Re: Ted Martin]
#12105782
02/22/17 02:04 AM
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PhishWhisperer
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i had the console power issue as well. added a separate circuit box and ran 10ga to the battery and have that dedicated for my electronics - keeps me from having a bunch of wiring going all the way back to the battery. Great solution!!! Minimal voltage drop, easy access, isolates electronics to one circuit with a breaker.
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