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Re: Tax Question [Re: me and the boys] #12016143 01/02/17 07:14 PM
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Ratz right now it's 5 million, I believe a married couple can exempt 10 million creativly. A lot of farms get chopped up and sold because kids don't want them. At time of death you can get a new appraisal call a time of death appraisal. That sets you basis. You can then sell and there are no taxes for capital gains or inheritance (if under threshold) so long as you don't sell above appraisal value. If grandpa sold before he died he may have been hit with massive capital gains. I did this in east Texas, just haven't got around to selling yet. Make sure you let appraiser know what you are looking for. I brought in a buddy from out here to do mine.

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Re: Tax Question [Re: WAWI] #12016331 01/02/17 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin
Ratz right now it's 5 million, I believe a married couple can exempt 10 million creativly. A lot of farms get chopped up and sold because kids don't want them. At time of death you can get a new appraisal call a time of death appraisal. That sets you basis. You can then sell and there are no taxes for capital gains or inheritance (if under threshold) so long as you don't sell above appraisal value. If grandpa sold before he died he may have been hit with massive capital gains. I did this in east Texas, just haven't got around to selling yet. Make sure you let appraiser know what you are looking for. I brought in a buddy from out here to do mine.


Yes, you are correct, 10.9 million per couple exemption, $5M a person. So if the estate handed down to you via a will is more than 10.9 million, the Federal Government will tax you on it again. I say again because whoever willed it to you already paid income tax on it. That is your Federal limits.

There are a handful of States that impose an Inheritance Tax. I had to pay it to the State of Pennsylvania when my Dad passed away in 2014. Doesn't it simply flat out suck that the State or Federal governments have deemed it to receive double taxation on income and property?


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Re: Tax Question [Re: Uncle Zeek] #12016357 01/02/17 09:28 PM
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16 are probably set, I believe that happens in November most years. 17 is wide open. I would expect anything to do with Obama care like that nasty 3.8 percent on capital gains over certain amount and high earners to go away.



Inheritance tax is high too, I wonder if it will ever come down. My dad told us when he is gone there would be almost nothing left for us. What he is doing is gifting the max amount to us every year. Its all going into retirement and college savings either way but I have always thought that tax was rediculously high.


Family trusts are also a really good way to avoid inheritance taxes, particularly when the asset involved is real estate owned without a lien on it.


And it's protected from lawsuits as well in an FLP. That's one of the strong suits of that FLP, even if you don't have the $5M or whatever the amount is that triggers inheritance tax, you can still protect your money from some jack leg suing your tail off cause your dog bit him.


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Re: Tax Question [Re: me and the boys] #12016491 01/02/17 10:51 PM
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My parents were doing the gifting thing, but then my dad got sick and the sunset on the 5 mil tax was about to trigger to kick it back to 1 mil. We didn't trust the useless congress to renew it in time, and besides as someone else mentioned there is the retroactive issue.

The amount of ridiculous maneuvering we had to do just to preserve his estate that he had already paid taxes on for 50 years would make your head spin. Split estate, set up as trusts that trickle down to trigger more trusts, paperwork a foot high, meetings every week with lawyers and financial planners. It was absurd and it caused a whole lot of anxiety, problems and expense that we certainly didn't need at the time.

I hope I never end up in an audit, I'm not likely to be civil to those POS.

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My parents were doing the gifting thing, but then my dad got sick and the sunset on the 5 mil tax was about to trigger to kick it back to 1 mil. We didn't trust the useless congress to renew it in time, and besides as someone else mentioned there is the retroactive issue.

The amount of ridiculous maneuvering we had to do just to preserve his estate that he had already paid taxes on for 50 years would make your head spin. Split estate, set up as trusts that trickle down to trigger more trusts, paperwork a foot high, meetings every week with lawyers and financial planners. It was absurd and it caused a whole lot of anxiety, problems and expense that we certainly didn't need at the time.

I hope I never end up in an audit, I'm not likely to be civil to those POS.
Atta boy! Go tell the IRS how ignorant they are, then get back to us.

Re: Tax Question [Re: Kahuna] #12016505 01/02/17 11:02 PM
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Atta boy! Go tell the IRS how ignorant they are, then get back to us.


Well yeah, that's why I hope I never get audited --- it isn't going to end well for me after telling them what I think of them.

Re: Tax Question [Re: Canino] #12016510 01/02/17 11:04 PM
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Atta boy! Go tell the IRS how ignorant they are, then get back to us.


Well yeah, that's why I hope I never get audited --- it isn't going to end well for me after telling them what I think of them.


Lol, in the back of your mind you always have to wander if the accountants and lawyers you pay to do stuff actually know what they are talking about.

Re: Tax Question [Re: Der Vorsteher] #12016541 01/02/17 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin
16 are probably set, I believe that happens in November most years. 17 is wide open. I would expect anything to do with Obama care like that nasty 3.8 percent on capital gains over certain amount and high earners to go away.



Inheritance tax is high too, I wonder if it will ever come down. My dad told us when he is gone there would be almost nothing left for us. What he is doing is gifting the max amount to us every year. Its all going into retirement and college savings either way but I have always thought that tax was rediculously high.


I thought inheritance tax didn't kick in until it was around $5 million per person.

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Originally Posted By: whatsaweighin
16 are probably set, I believe that happens in November most years. 17 is wide open. I would expect anything to do with Obama care like that nasty 3.8 percent on capital gains over certain amount and high earners to go away.



Inheritance tax is high too, I wonder if it will ever come down. My dad told us when he is gone there would be almost nothing left for us. What he is doing is gifting the max amount to us every year. Its all going into retirement and college savings either way but I have always thought that tax was rediculously high.


I thought inheritance tax didn't kick in until it was around $5 million per person.
it doesn't.

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16 are probably set, I believe that happens in November most years. 17 is wide open. I would expect anything to do with Obama care like that nasty 3.8 percent on capital gains over certain amount and high earners to go away.



Inheritance tax is high too, I wonder if it will ever come down. My dad told us when he is gone there would be almost nothing left for us. What he is doing is gifting the max amount to us every year. Its all going into retirement and college savings either way but I have always thought that tax was rediculously high.


I thought inheritance tax didn't kick in until it was around $5 million per person.
it doesn't.



My dad has that but its tied up in his retirement, CDs, etc. He is close to selling his company as well, that is worth more than that.

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Here's another consideration for putting assets into trusts, setting up accounts as joint owner or POD ('paid on death'), etc:

Such assets do NOT go through probate. Anything that is handed down by will goes through probate court and becomes a matter of public record. Creditors and others can dig a little to find out who got what.


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Re: Tax Question [Re: Uncle Zeek] #12016590 01/02/17 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Zeek
Here's another consideration for putting assets into trusts, setting up accounts as joint owner or POD ('paid on death'), etc:

Such assets do NOT go through probate. Anything that is handed down by will goes through probate court and becomes a matter of public record. Creditors and others can dig a little to find out who got what.


Do these trusts still protect your assets in the event you enter nursing home forever?

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