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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11964545 12/03/16 11:26 PM
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I booked a trip with a well known guide at a local lake. On the morning of the trip, I texted him from the ramp asking if I was at the wrong spot since he was nowhere to be found. After a minute or two, he texted back that he had forgotten about the trip and would be there in 30 minutes. About 30 minutes later, he showed up and was very apologetic. He told me up front that the trip was free. He worked hard to put me and my sons on the fish and the boys had a blast. At the end of the trip, I thanked him for the freebie and gave him the regular cost of a trip as a tip. He earned it. I have recommended him several times since then.

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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11965074 12/04/16 05:30 AM
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What if a guide has to take a phone call or go to the bathroom right before the check comes for lunch? Does he still get a tip? Or is it expected that you buy him lunch too?


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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: Big 10 Inch] #11965088 12/04/16 05:44 AM
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I think I'm the first guide to respond to this so I don't speak for all, but myself and the ones I have close personal relationships with all think the same thing. I never expect a tip no matter how good or bad the trip. I want my clients to have the best day possible every day out there and try everything in my knowledge and power to provide this. At the end of the day if I get a tip I really appreciate it, but at the same time if they only pay the asking rate I don't not want them back. I still really appreciative of their business. Tipping is %100 on the customer as far as if or how much. I'm going to give you the best service I can regardless because I want you to come again... and again


Is that line I highlighted in red a typo or am I misunderstanding it?


Don't not is a double negative. Poor grammar. If you do not have a 903 area code it won't make sense. He is trying to say that he still wants their money.



You are correct, I forgot to switch the "903 filter" on before I read it ...


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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11965096 12/04/16 06:01 AM
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I have been out with several guides, if I feel like they went above and beyond I will gladly tip an extra $40-$50.

I have been out with guides that I felt like I was paying them to fish so I did just that and gave them what their asking rate was and no more.


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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11965198 12/04/16 12:09 PM
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when I hire a guide,, I hire them for their lake expertise & knowledge.
I have my own rods & reels,,,,, I have my own tackle ,,,, so I do not need to use their equipment.
I want them to show/tell me how a lake fishes and to put "ME" on fish.
I also don't want my guide fishing on my time & money. I feel like when a guide is fishing he/she is possibly going to hook into a fish that I might have caught, plus if he/she is fishing then they are not putting 100% of their effort into my fishing experience.
The best guide I ever booked was for Falcon,,,, Billy Tompkins.
He sat in the back deck chair and ran his trolling motor by remote,,, M/K Terrova.....he did not fish until we asked him to.
He put us on spots and told us why we were fishing there and how to fish that spot.
He taught me how to use a crank bait in a creek channel and around trees (anyone can throw a crank bait out in open water) + he taught us how to get it free when it got hung up in tree branches.
He put us on plenty of fish in Mexico on spots that we still use today to catch fish.
I wish he was still a guide and not in the insurance business,,,,, dang wives.
Lake Fork .... David Ozzio the same he taught us how to drop shot,,,,not that I like doing it but he did put us on fish.
Tipping ..... yes these guys were tipped good,,,,real good. BUT,,,,before we ever went out I told them what I wanted and what was expected for the $$$$ I was paying them for the day. The "tip" would be for the numbers (1st) & size (2nd)of the fish we caught.
An arbitrary "tip" just because the guide showed up and ran his boat around the lake would not happen.
Guides charge a lot of $$$$ for a day on the lake, they set their own fees.
Tipping is for the service you receive. It should be done when/if you feel like you have gotten "MORE" than what you are charged for up front.

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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: Ken A.] #11965205 12/04/16 12:29 PM
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The guide tipping subject comes up several times a year and there are definitely two schools of thought. cool


Yep, proper people who tip and cheapo types that don't.

Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: DBFishing83] #11965209 12/04/16 12:37 PM
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I also don't want my guide fishing on my time & money. I feel like when a guide is fishing he/she is possibly going to hook into a fish that I might have caught, plus if he/she is fishing then they are not putting 100% of their effort into my fishing experience.

I do believe a guide needs to fish for 2 different reasons. The first reason is that by fishing, he/she is able to locate the fish for you and will be able to tell you where to cast. The second reason is that maybe the guide finds a technique that is producing more fish and he then in turn can tell you to switch up to better your catches.

Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11965212 12/04/16 12:38 PM
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I'm fine without getting a tip. Sometimes having a customer pay for your lunch can mean just as much. I view the tipping as a show of appreciation. 10 dollars from a man with 100$ is worth just as much as 100$ from a man with 1000$. Thanks my opinion.

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I also don't want my guide fishing on my time & money. I feel like when a guide is fishing he/she is possibly going to hook into a fish that I might have caught, plus if he/she is fishing then they are not putting 100% of their effort into my fishing experience.

I do believe a guide needs to fish for 2 different reasons. The first reason is that by fishing, he/she is able to locate the fish for you and will be able to tell you where to cast. The second reason is that maybe the guide finds a technique that is producing more fish and he then in turn can tell you to switch up to better your catches.


2 different schools of thought ......
whatever the customer wants and the guide agrees to.

Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: DBFishing83] #11965218 12/04/16 12:54 PM
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I also don't want my guide fishing on my time & money. I feel like when a guide is fishing he/she is possibly going to hook into a fish that I might have caught, plus if he/she is fishing then they are not putting 100% of their effort into my fishing experience.

I do believe a guide needs to fish for 2 different reasons. The first reason is that by fishing, he/she is able to locate the fish for you and will be able to tell you where to cast. The second reason is that maybe the guide finds a technique that is producing more fish and he then in turn can tell you to switch up to better your catches.


2 different schools of thought ......
whatever the customer wants and the guide agrees to.

Now as long as the guide isn't catching more than a couple just to locate/find what the fish want then I don't see a problem with it. To each their own.

Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: Ken A.] #11965307 12/04/16 02:10 PM
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Two questions, first do you tip when you go out with a guide and second,why? im just wondering because when I go out to eat, if the waitress is half way good at what she or he does I tip 20% but I don't tip the guy that changes my oil or rotates my tires.


Its all up to you. Do what you feel is right. I normally tip 20-25% if the guide worked hard at trying to put you on fish.

There are some waterheads on here that will say the guy is making enough money already, getting paid to do what he loves, yada yada.

My opinion is that the guide business is a service business. You book a guide to do more than just catch fish. You book a guide to learn something. A good guide will teach you more in one day on the water than you can learn in a year by yourself. At the end of the day, if you feel like you've learned some valuable things and you've had a good time in the process, then tip him.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: It is up to You to interview the guide before you go out with him. There are a bunch of guides. Some are better at deep structure, some are better at shallow cover, some are more versatile.

I have fished with one guide that did NOT allow you to throw a Carolina rig. I fished with one that would not ALLOW a spinning rig in his boat. I fished with one that would not throw a weightless Fluke or Senko at all. DUMB!!

You need to ask those questions ahead of time and find the guide that you feel will meet your needs. If you want to pitch jigs all day on the edge of a creek channel and you book a guide that sits on a roadbed all day hopping a spoon up & down, you should have inquired before hand.


Yup...spot on right here Ken.


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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11965344 12/04/16 02:40 PM
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We always tip. If we catch big fish, I have no problem with 20%. Once at Fork, I caught two small dinks with a guide that kept having boat trouble. Note- take care of those problems before you get on the water- so no tip for you.

Also, When I book for a full day, I want to fish a full day. There is one guide that I won't use anymore who started setting his start times back later and later, taking more time for lunch then quitting earlier. Him, I don't use anymore.

Also, guides who are on the phone constantly giving free tips to their buddies just bugs me to no end. Maybe age is turning me into a grouch but I think you should have their full attention for the day.

Also, if the fish really haven't been bitting, then give us a call beforehand and let us make the decision to come ahead and fish or not. That's just doing the right thing.

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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: Douglas J] #11965390 12/04/16 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
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Originally Posted By: Doug R.
Originally Posted By: Billy_Lawson
I think I'm the first guide to respond to this so I don't speak for all, but myself and the ones I have close personal relationships with all think the same thing. I never expect a tip no matter how good or bad the trip. I want my clients to have the best day possible every day out there and try everything in my knowledge and power to provide this. At the end of the day if I get a tip I really appreciate it, but at the same time if they only pay the asking rate I don't not want them back. I still really appreciative of their business. Tipping is %100 on the customer as far as if or how much. I'm going to give you the best service I can regardless because I want you to come again... and again


Is that line I highlighted in red a typo or am I misunderstanding it?


Don't not is a double negative. Poor grammar. If you do not have a 903 area code it won't make sense. He is trying to say that he still wants their money.



You are correct, I forgot to switch the "903 filter" on before I read it ...


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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: Ken A.] #11965520 12/04/16 05:24 PM
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I want my guide fishing. He can find them and what the want to eat. My rule has always been when my guide stops fishing I'm laying down my rod and ready to move. My only exception is a guide that front boats me or pulls into a cove telling me it's a big fish spot and then hits every piece of good structure before I can, that guide had his last trip from me.

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Re: guides and tipping etiquette [Re: everett69] #11965592 12/04/16 06:35 PM
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In my opinion, if you want to tip, Thanks! If not, Thanks! I really appreciate the business and the opportunity.
I want the customer to enjoy the day, catch fish, and learn the lake and patterns.
I will always ask the customer if they mind if I fish, and I have never had one say that they did not want me to.
If the fishing is tough, I may only make a couple of casts all day.
If I do my job correctly, I will get a return customer, referrals, and make a friend in the process. Making friends is a bonus.
As far as lunch goes, I always offer to pay, some customers pick up the tab, some do not. No big deal either way.
A good friend of mine once said "It's hard to complain with your mouth full".


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