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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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05/31/16 05:13 PM
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fouzman
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Ethanol or not, if you're running 93 octane in a low compression engine, not only are you wasting money but you're going to have to de-carb often.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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05/31/16 08:14 PM
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Mark C
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My mechanic told me to just stick with 87 octane for my 200 EFI. He said 92 octane wouldn't help a thing and there was no benefit to running it. This was from Ben at Lake Park Marine in Lewisville.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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05/31/16 10:18 PM
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Muzzlebrake
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Ethanol is the biggest scam ever forced on us. It takes approx 3.5 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of ethanol and that doesn't include the water that is used for the irrigation to grow the corn. Then there is the cleanup of the polluted water. They say ethanol is cheaper to produce than gas but without govt. subsidies it would be cost prohibitive. The corporate farmers and the ethanol producers are they only ones who benefit and they are the ones paying the lobbyists to help keep this scam alive. I don't even factor in the tree hugger crowd. Fuel mileage for E85 vehicles is 25% less than for straight gas vehicles. Easy to see who loses especially with the maintenance of our vehicles which can sometimes cost an individual thousands to fix.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: Mark C]
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05/31/16 10:21 PM
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Muzzlebrake
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My mechanic told me to just stick with 87 octane for my 200 EFI. He said 92 octane wouldn't help a thing and there was no benefit to running it. This was from Ben at Lake Park Marine in Lewisville. Ben definitely knows a thing or two about motors. Probably forgot more than most will ever know.
From Genesis: "And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the earth."
Then He made the earth round...and He laughed and laughed and laughed!
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: Anchorman]
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06/01/16 01:47 AM
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HItec Redneck
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92 octane has substantially less ethanol than 87. Since learning this I only use 92 in my boats, ATVs, and small engines. No it doesn't. In fact, it may have more ethanol in it to boost the octane rating to 92. There are only two states in the US that have waivers to sell ethanol free premium unleaded. Those are Missouri and Montana. Other states may allow for the sale of non-ethanol and ethanol laden fuel side-by-side so the consumer gets to choose, but the areas where it is sold must have "attainment status". Oregon specifically prohibits this practice. Right on. Ethanol can be added to fuel to raise the octane number. Stoichiometric air-to-fuel ratios of gasoline vs ethanol Fuel Ratio by mass Ratio by volume Gasoline 14.7 : 1 — Ethanol 9 : 1 ethanol or alcohol burns much cooler and is much more inefficient for making power. In order to make the same power an engine has to burn 1.63 times more ethanol than pure gas and that's why our fuel mileage is so bad in older engines not designed and tuned for it. Put some pure gas in your old boat motor and see how much better she runs. My 5.3 v8 Chevy truck gets 3 to 6 mpg better mileage on pure gas than it does on E10 fuel. If I happen to get a tank of E15 the mileage drops another 2 mpg and the truck loses a lot of pulling power especially dragging my boat. I have been told by a small engine mechanic and a boat mechanic 92 octane had much less ethanol. Wonder where they got that info if what you guys say is true? I'll research this further Ethanol is added to fuel at the distribution terminal when the trucks arrive to fill up. Its precisely added and there is no guessing how much is added. It's added at the same rate for all fuel blends. This is how it's done at the oil company I work for. If you want gasoline with no ethanol you will have to find a place that sells it that way.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/01/16 12:06 PM
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Muzzlebrake . Thank you for the link .
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/01/16 03:21 PM
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/01/16 03:47 PM
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JRR
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Enderby's hwy 377 north of Whitesboro sells ethanol free gas
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: wacopops]
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06/02/16 02:52 AM
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Best site for finding what you want for sure. Accurate, and free information.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/02/16 03:09 PM
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Ethanol is added to fuel at the distribution terminal when the trucks arrive to fill up. Its precisely added and there is no guessing how much is added. It's added at the same rate for all fuel blends. This is how it's done at the oil company I work for. If you want gasoline with no ethanol you will have to find a place that sells it that way. [/quote]
Maybe at your terminal.
We have independently tested ethanol content from boat fuel tanks and have found as high as 20% ethanol content in several of them.
Okie by birth, Texan by choice. USAF "Thunderbirds" Alumni 1985-1989
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/02/16 06:07 PM
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Gainesville has two stations that sell fuel without ethonl
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
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06/02/16 08:30 PM
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Has anyone noticed ethanol free fuel around the Lake Lavon and Sam Rayburn area's by any chance ?
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/02/16 08:39 PM
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ChuChu1
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The amount of ethanol in gasoline cannot legally exceed the amount advertised on the pump.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: DarrellSimpson]
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06/02/16 08:45 PM
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Po Boy
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Has anyone noticed ethanol free fuel around the Lake Lavon and Sam Rayburn area's by any chance ? I store my boat in McKinney and fish Lavon and Tawakoni. When I need gas between trips to Tawakoni I go to Greenville, Daniel's Best Buy for ethanol free gas. When I fish Tawakoni I fill up at Doc's in East Tawakoni before coming home. The marina on Lavon may have it, don't know, but I am too cheap to pay marina prices for gas.
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Re: Where to buy Gas with least amount of ethanol ?
[Re: ChuChu1]
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06/02/16 09:12 PM
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Muzzlebrake
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The amount of ethanol in gasoline cannot legally exceed the amount advertised on the pump. Key word here is "LEGALLY". The only way to know is test it. The percent of ethanol may be incorrectly added by the local fuel distributor or gas retailer. Overblending and "double-blending" is common. Adding 15, 20% or higher amounts of ethanol- (Legal limit=10%). Distributors do this all the time to raise their profits since Ethanol is subsidized and costs them less. HOW TO TEST FUEL FOR ETHANOL This is a way that private airplane pilots sometimes use. To determine if ethanol is in the gas: On a test tube or olive bottle six or seven inches long, make a permanent line about two inches from the bottom. Fill with water to this line, then fill the tube to the top with gasoline. Cover the tube, agitate it, and let it stand. The ethanol and water will mix and separate out together. If the water level appears to have increased, the fuel contains ethanol and should not be used. Ethanol percentages of less than 5% can sometimes give a reading below the line. Therefore, any deviation in the water line indicates the presence of ethanol and should serve as a basis for rejecting the fuel.
Last edited by Muzzlebrake; 06/02/16 09:13 PM.
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