A top pro will fish from any boat you give them. Look no farther than the old KVD. Do you truly think he would run a Nitro. I would like to see the polygraph on that one. Phoenix is surly a good boat I have looked at them but I will pass. My friend has one but cant seem to sell it . I am a Ranger guy and will always be for how could I not be when they gave me a brand new boat after 8 years when my transom went bad. And I do not think you could go wrong with the Skeeter they are pretty sweet.

Absolutely zero statistical evidence on "what I can remember".

Sounds like a motor issue not a fiberglass issue?

No it isn't. You are just looking to make affirmations of your choice in product like every other consumer. The reality is that all top level boats are VERY similar, and you can only do so much to make one very different than another, that the differences are mild to imperceivable at best. Making claims of outright superiority is foolhearted at best, and not going to go over well at all. Just say you love your boat and list reasons why, no reason o try and convince everyone you have the best boat. At the end of the day they make different boats for different folks. The saying is LITERALLY "whatever floats your boat" ...come on now...

If nothing else, the fact that Phoenix guys seem so compelled to have to defend their boat tells me it probably isn't as superior as they think, truth be told. I see far more Phoenix guys tooting their own horns and badmouthing other brands, while most skeeter, ranger, etc. guys I know just say what they love about their boat. Long story short, if you want to be a brand ambassador, by all means, endorse the product, but first learn how to endorse something. You will never make yourself look better trying to make someone else look worse, just for starters.


And onto original topic, they sure did pick one hell of a team! I need their magic crystal ball for some fantasy fishing league action haha!

I remember when Triton was number one in ALLEGED market share, too. From a search of the www, I find that it is very hard if not impossible to find accurate data on market share of bass boat sales in the United States, without paying for a statistical analysis. Seems like much of the available data is anecdotal and outdated.

Perhaps someone like Mr. Gilbert at Fun-N-Sun has this data at his fingertips and would be willing to share.

I'm not knocking or promoting one brand or their pro staffers over another. I'd just like to see the real numbers rather than what folks "remember", "recall", "hear" or "heard".

Market Share is not "ALLEGED". It actually exists in the Sales world.

I'm very aware of market share and statistical analysis in the "sales" world, sir. There are tons of market share numbers alleged every single day, without statistical evidence to support the allegation.

I was just trying to determine the resale value on Phoenix Boats through a widely accepted medium. "NADA Blue Book for Boats". I can't find Phoenix. Should I be looking under some other manufacturer name?

http://www.nadaguides.com/Boats/Manufacturers

Or even better, furim, could you find the most recent verifiable market share data on bass boats in the US and post it?

Agreed Snickers, but KVD isn't saddled with the same consumer burdens that the rest of us are and that's mainly where Nitro gets its criticism. I think KVD might be honest when he says that he chooses to fish out of a Nitro. If Johnny Morris came to me and said.... "Hey bud.... I'm going to give you a new Nitro every year, whichever model you want, put every bell and whistle on it and some that even don't come on it, if you'd be willing to fish out of it at no cost to you." I'd jump at the chance. I think they look sharp and fish well but I'm still not going to go buy one for the reasons mentioned. Phoenix, on the other hand, I'd be willing to get though. As others have mentioned.... so little difference in the high end boats.

Thanks very much. I couldn't find Phoenix boats listed in the manufacturers page. Using the guide you provided, I pulled up used boat values on three popular brands Ranger, Skeeter and Phoenix. Similarly equipped 2013's showed the following average retail price.

Ranger $53,000
Skeeter $56,000
Phoenix $48,000

That surprised me. I didn't look at new values but assume there must be a similar difference in entry point price.

Back to the original topic. I agree that Phoenix has a great pro staff.

Now you did it Chris.... Here comes the Ranger Brigade!

You could say the same for just about all the boat brands out there. Especially since you only see about 5 different boats in the Elites. Nitro has Evers and KVD..

And Kernan, Horton, Clunn, Tietje, Snowden, Reed, DeFoe and some more I can't think of off the top of my head.

Have gone to my local dealer in Fort Worth ,where they have skeeters and Phoenix boats side by side for the money and way boats are set up I'll put my money and all hard work I a skeeter any time .Don't care who is driving one in the pros they don't live the real world .i ain't hating on them wish it was me .oh by the way I own a zx21 sho 250