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Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10982340 07/17/15 03:30 AM
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Well, this will be interesting to watch...very interesting.

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10982496 07/17/15 11:08 AM
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Kickin Bass, I think you have it backwards. The latest PB mag doesn't have an Overton ad. The previous one did.

Sounds like a pizzin match between vendors.

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: Dave Davidson] #10982534 07/17/15 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson
Kickin Bass, I think you have it backwards. The latest PB mag doesn't have an Overton ad. The previous one did.

Sounds like a pizzin match between vendors.

I stocked 8, 6 month old CB LMB October 23, 2012 - out of a 13.5 female and IIRC a 7 lb male. They were fin clipped and I caught my first fin clipped CB at 2 lbs, 8 months old:


Overton stocked this 3 year old 8 lb pre-spawn CB LMB April 20th this year.


I know we are limited raising trophy size bass in a 2 acre pond but we have removed over 100 lbs or pure Florida bass and cross breeding will result in some fantastic offspring.
CB LMB is an exciting program.

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Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: Dave Davidson] #10982546 07/17/15 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson
Kickin Bass, I think you have it backwards. The latest PB mag doesn't have an Overton ad. The previous one did.

Sounds like a pizzin match between vendors.


I can't really comment beyond this...Camelot Bell bass come from Camelot Bell Ranch. Todd helped with spawning and marketing for a few years. Not sure if that arrangement is still in place, or not.


Coincidence is His way of remaining anonymous.
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I think they are in direct competition now. It would be interesting to have both of them weigh in here. And, like you, I don't have a dog in this fight.

BTW, it doesn't matter a whole lot at this time of year. Water is too hot for me to stock anything.

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Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10983417 07/17/15 05:39 PM
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Mike Frazier provided me with my first set of brood stock from his lake in 2012. We did a simple trade: I landed 50 quality brood stock from Camelot Bell, and he landed 500lbs of pure mozambique tilapia from me. I wanted him to see what difference stocking pure moz tilapia would make in his lake, and he wanted to see these CB genes spread all over the country. We were both fully aware that I was going full steam ahead with the Camelot Bell fingerling breeding program. This would promote his guided fishing and sales of Camelot Bell adults for free, and it would be a great move for us as well. So I got rid of every existing bass brood fish on my farm, and replaced them with Camelot Bell bass.

After this trade, Mike was trying to decide what he might do with his 1acre brood pond, and I suggested we start a lunker program with giant fish from his lake. We we partnered up on this deal. He provided the fish and the pond, and I provided guidance, pond management implementation, harvesting, and sales. Together we had successful programs in 2012 and 2014. In 2013 we experienced a late spawn, late fingerlings, and a fish kill in August (which revealed the late spawn). We were unaware of the existence of fingerlings in 2013 until the oxygen depletion and fish kill.

We at Overton Fisheries took jumper fingerlings from 2012 and 2014 and grew these out on the farm for future brood stock. Overton Fisheries has over 100 quality brood stock from Camelot Bell to use as brood fish. We don't have adult bass on the farm from any other source. We have the pond/hatchery resources, experience, and equipment to produce enough Camelot Bell fingerlings to stock the entire state of Texas. We are invested. I couldn't even talk Mike Frazier into an aerator for the brood pond (note: fish kill 2013). So believe me when I say that I believe we may really and truly be the only (if not the best) supplier of Camelot Bell Bass fingerlings.

We promoted Camelot Bell for 3 years with Mike Frazier's blessings. We have invested blood, sweat, and tears (plus big $) to acquire quality brood stock. So Mike changes his mind in the middle of the game. What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to call these quality brood stock and fingerlings? What about all the other lake and pond owners who have purchased Camelot Bell bass? For all of us who now have Camelot Bell Bass, what are we supposed to call these fish after they leave Camelot Bell Ranch?

I want to thank Mike Frazier for providing me with all of these great brood stock. We have been proud to promote Camelot Bell Ranch for many years, and we still do today. We never intended to be a competitor, so if we are forced into that position then by all means we can and will compete.

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: overtonfisheries] #10983457 07/17/15 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: overtonfisheries
Mike Frazier provided me with my first set of brood stock from his lake in 2012. We did a simple trade: I landed 50 quality brood stock from Camelot Bell, and he landed 500lbs of pure mozambique tilapia from me. I wanted him to see what difference stocking pure moz tilapia would make in his lake, and he wanted to see these CB genes spread all over the country. We were both fully aware that I was going full steam ahead with the Camelot Bell fingerling breeding program. This would promote his guided fishing and sales of Camelot Bell adults for free, and it would be a great move for us as well. So I got rid of every existing bass brood fish on my farm, and replaced them with Camelot Bell bass.

After this trade, Mike was trying to decide what he might do with his 1acre brood pond, and I suggested we start a lunker program with giant fish from his lake. We we partnered up on this deal. He provided the fish and the pond, and I provided guidance, pond management implementation, harvesting, and sales. Together we had successful programs in 2012 and 2014. In 2013 we experienced a late spawn, late fingerlings, and a fish kill in August (which revealed the late spawn). We were unaware of the existence of fingerlings in 2013 until the oxygen depletion and fish kill.

We at Overton Fisheries took jumper fingerlings from 2012 and 2014 and grew these out on the farm for future brood stock. Overton Fisheries has over 100 quality brood stock from Camelot Bell to use as brood fish. We don't have adult bass on the farm from any other source. We have the pond/hatchery resources, experience, and equipment to produce enough Camelot Bell fingerlings to stock the entire state of Texas. We are invested. I couldn't even talk Mike Frazier into an aerator for the brood pond (note: fish kill 2013). So believe me when I say that I believe we may really and truly be the only (if not the best) supplier of Camelot Bell Bass fingerlings.

We promoted Camelot Bell for 3 years with Mike Frazier's blessings. We have invested blood, sweat, and tears (plus big $) to acquire quality brood stock. So Mike changes his mind in the middle of the game. What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to call these quality brood stock and fingerlings? What about all the other lake and pond owners who have purchased Camelot Bell bass? For all of us who now have Camelot Bell Bass, what are we supposed to call these fish after they leave Camelot Bell Ranch?

I want to thank Mike Frazier for providing me with all of these great brood stock. We have been proud to promote Camelot Bell Ranch for many years, and we still do today. We never intended to be a competitor, so if we are forced into that position then by all means we can and will compete.


Works for me Todd. Again thanks for all the help and look forward to getting more fish from you in the future.

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10984213 07/18/15 12:07 AM
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This is entertaining! I came here to find some resources, not drama. I pointed out the parallels in the advertising to get members knowledge on the subject. The fact that Overton feels the need to defend himself, talk down about his supplier, and continue to say he may be the only supplier of these fish regardless of the fact that Camelot Bell itself advertises its fish for sale tells me everything I need to know about his character!

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10984576 07/18/15 03:31 AM
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Caveat emptor, Kickin_Bass_2015, caveat emptor!!

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: Kickin_Bass_2015] #10984758 07/18/15 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: Kickin_Bass_2015
This is entertaining! I came here to find some resources, not drama. I pointed out the parallels in the advertising to get members knowledge on the subject. The fact that Overton feels the need to defend himself, talk down about his supplier, and continue to say he may be the only supplier of these fish regardless of the fact that Camelot Bell itself advertises its fish for sale tells me everything I need to know about his character!

I believe That Todd Overton's reputation speaks for himself.
Former President Bush trusts him to stock his ponds... smile
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Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10984902 07/18/15 01:34 PM
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LOL...now this is really getting funny. popcorn

There is another fish provider in Texas, at least one, that provides fish to President Bush...but does not feel it necessary to go around trumpeting that fact and trying to take advantage of his business. His reputation does indeed speak for itself.

Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: BrandoA] #10985023 07/18/15 02:53 PM
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It should be obvious that I am not "trumpeting," ML. If you need some drama, tune in to political debate.

It should be obvious that I do not and can not control what is posted here by other members. The subtle and shady questioning of my character had been noted, and may in fact reveal more about your character than mine. And the thread is now hijacked, thank you.

Sorry BrandoA. But at least we have some background info posted here for clarification, which is what I thought Dave Davidson was looking for.

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Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: Meadowlark] #10985024 07/18/15 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Meadowlark
LOL...now this is really getting funny. popcorn
There is another fish provider in Texas, at least one, that provides fish to President Bush...but does not feel it necessary to go around trumpeting that fact and trying to take advantage of his business. His reputation does indeed speak for itself.

Meadowlark, you are speaking about Bob Waldrop of Tyler Fish Farms, a highly respected fisheries biologist in our area.
I was a customer and friend of Mr.Woldrop back in the early days and purchased some of the very best pure Florida Coppernose Blue Gill as well as pure Florida LMB .
As you know, he had personally caught and transported these fish from Florida. He also had picture of President and Mrs. Bush in his office, but no internet fishing forums to publish photos back in those days.
I also highly respect you for your pioneering stocking of tilapia in Texas farm ponds.

I do think character attacts, if warranted, should be under real names and not alias, even though I do know your real name.
I am disappointed Kickin_Bass_2015 does not use his real name so his credentials would be made public.

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Re: Stocked some Camelot Bells this past weekend !!! [Re: George Glazener] #10985077 07/18/15 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: George Glazener
....I am disappointed Kickin_Bass_2015 does not use his real name so his credentials would be made public.

Thanks for your reply,
George Glazener




I'll never forget the personal attack you guys launched on me for using my ranch name "Meadowlark Ranch" instead of my given name Larry Hartley. You literally stalked me and tried your best to discredit me....and continue to do so to this day.

The same thing will happen to Kickin_Bass_2015. The strong-armed tactics will come out in full force and some time when he least expects it....he will get a broadside from you guys. History repeats itself....and old habits never die. Speaks for itself.

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Oh man! I ain't seen so much activity since the hogs ate my little brother....

I kinda wonder which came first, Camelot Bell bass or some other kind? Now I got no idea but almost would bet dollars to donuts them bass 'riginaly came from my old buddy (rest his soul) Harrell Arms. He likely got 'em shipped in from Florida, but he did used to buy bass and other fish from me back in the day.

Now there my be some big story behind where them bass originated, if so I'd like to hear it.

Now I don't know this Mike Frazier fella but he sounds OK, I do know Todd an' Bob Waldrop an' both Presi-det Bush' has been fishin' in more'n one of my holes too. I'd not hesitate a second to buy fish from Todd or Bob, an' I done voted for both them Bush' so them folks is all fine with me.

Now I' din't know I was s'posed to use my real name as a handle.....I been goin' by "Fishbreeder" since Gore invented in the internet, I think I may have my name in my profile, but I got no problem with folks usin' a descriptive handle (or the name of their ranch) as long as they's straightforward and not sneaky or something. Oh, BTW, my name's Brett Rowley. You kin ast them folks (Todd an' Bob an' George's) 'bout me. If you know some old pro bass fishermen, you might try them, but them young'uns don't know me.

I'd sure hate to see some nice feller run off from here on accounta what he chose for a handle, long as it ain't inappropriate.

Oh an' 'nuther thing, I done sent some of MY customers off after them Camelot Bell fangerlins from Overton's, jus' because. So there.

So now if you want you can get Camelot Bell, Tiger, Gorilla, Florida, Hybrid, Northern, Cross bred, black, white, striped, green, largemouth, bass.

None of 'em grows well without good habitat, good water, with a plentiful and diverse food supply.

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